Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[WaltFrazier]

Can’t go into the year thinking wings going to cut it’s we gotta find a way to get a damn starting center. Again Hartenstein was not a scrub!!!

I wish Poeltl was an option to get. He brings a lot of what Hartenstein did, not as much bounce but a more skilled passer, nice touch inside, smart defender, good feet. And the Raptor connection with OG and Precious. But I've no idea the cost of a trade to get him.

Raptors fans who want to tank want him traded to speed the process, maybe if their season goes south with injuries early they'd move Jakob. Not sure what Masai is thinking though.

[spree2kawhi]

How and when do you expect the Randle situation to unfold?

I think ideal for the Knicks would be Randle opting into his 30.95mm option for next season and signing a 2 year section off of that which I believe would start at 43.3 and be a 2 year $89.9mm deal (total extension would be for 3 years 120.85mm)

The opt in would give NY just shy of $23.7mm of room below the apron with 10 players under contract - Anunoby, Brunson, Randle, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, DDV, McBride, Dadiet, Kolek. Enough room to use the taxpayer mid level (5,685,000), use bird rights to bring back Precious (or a player acquired via Precious trade) and have a few vet min slots.

NY has a window next year to operate under the 2nd apron, but very little path to not be a 2nd apron team the following 2 seasons. The next opportunity NY has to make a significant trade will likely come on draft night on 2026 - when NY can trade their 2026 1st, 2033 1st and the Detroit 1st NY has is potentially much more valuable than it currently is. At that point, I think Randle on a 2 year, sub max deal is a positive asset (Anunoby can also be the anchor or a trade).

I’m not saying this is ideal for Randle - ideal would be to trade him for a better #2 that turns this team from pretender to contender. But under the circumstances I think this makes the most sense.

Totally. What’s the hold-up though?

[spree2kawhi]

Can’t go into the year thinking wings going to cut it’s we gotta find a way to get a damn starting center. Again Hartenstein was not a scrub!!!

I wish Poeltl was an option to get. He brings a lot of what Hartenstein did, not as much bounce but a more skilled passer, nice touch inside, smart defender, good feet. And the Raptor connection with OG and Precious. But I've no idea the cost of a trade to get him.

Raptors fans who want to tank want him traded to speed the process, maybe if their season goes south with injuries early they'd move Jakob. Not sure what Masai is thinking though.

Poeltl, Sengun, KAT would all work beautifully.

[Iron Mantis]

How and when do you expect the Randle situation to unfold?

Are you talking about the Randle, Mitch, and filler for KAT situation?

[sol537]

We’d need to do a 3-way with Toronto for Poetl with Mitch and Precious going to a 3rd team and young assets and an expiring going to Toronto. Don’t know if he’s worth that.

[Guano]

i get that it's fun to fck with sham and that we also tend to be a lil overdramatic here - i might be a lil guilty of that from time to time. all that said, i fck with mitch. but he requires an adequate backup that can play heavy mins. not just because mitch gets injured but to prevent injury. mitch was vital in both of our playoff wins. we need him healthy and available come playoff time for when we match up with bigger C. precious and randle can play some C but we need someone who is an actual C and isn't a weird project to play heavy mins.

as the roster is constructed coupled with thibs we have plenty of nice pieces that will not be getting playing time. so as the season progresses and teams are looking to offload talent for cheaper I expect the knicks to find another C.

[KnixinSix]

How and when do you expect the Randle situation to unfold?

I think ideal for the Knicks would be Randle opting into his 30.95mm option for next season and signing a 2 year section off of that which I believe would start at 43.3 and be a 2 year $89.9mm deal (total extension would be for 3 years 120.85mm)

The opt in would give NY just shy of $23.7mm of room below the apron with 10 players under contract - Anunoby, Brunson, Randle, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, DDV, McBride, Dadiet, Kolek. Enough room to use the taxpayer mid level (5,685,000), use bird rights to bring back Precious (or a player acquired via Precious trade) and have a few vet min slots.

NY has a window next year to operate under the 2nd apron, but very little path to not be a 2nd apron team the following 2 seasons. The next opportunity NY has to make a significant trade will likely come on draft night on 2026 - when NY can trade their 2026 1st, 2033 1st and the Detroit 1st NY has is potentially much more valuable than it currently is. At that point, I think Randle on a 2 year, sub max deal is a positive asset (Anunoby can also be the anchor or a trade).

I’m not saying this is ideal for Randle - ideal would be to trade him for a better #2 that turns this team from pretender to contender. But under the circumstances I think this makes the most sense.

How desperate is Minny to shed the KAT contract? We have a glaring hole at the 5 spot right now. The Donovan trade with Cleveland didn't happen until September.

I just don't think keeping Randle is a good idea unless he is willing to work with us on his contract. But all indications seem to point to him wanting to get the bag.

[R-DAWG]

How and when do you expect the Randle situation to unfold?

I think ideal for the Knicks would be Randle opting into his 30.95mm option for next season and signing a 2 year section off of that which I believe would start at 43.3 and be a 2 year $89.9mm deal (total extension would be for 3 years 120.85mm)

The opt in would give NY just shy of $23.7mm of room below the apron with 10 players under contract - Anunoby, Brunson, Randle, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, DDV, McBride, Dadiet, Kolek. Enough room to use the taxpayer mid level (5,685,000), use bird rights to bring back Precious (or a player acquired via Precious trade) and have a few vet min slots.

NY has a window next year to operate under the 2nd apron, but very little path to not be a 2nd apron team the following 2 seasons. The next opportunity NY has to make a significant trade will likely come on draft night on 2026 - when NY can trade their 2026 1st, 2033 1st and the Detroit 1st NY has is potentially much more valuable than it currently is. At that point, I think Randle on a 2 year, sub max deal is a positive asset (Anunoby can also be the anchor or a trade).

I’m not saying this is ideal for Randle - ideal would be to trade him for a better #2 that turns this team from pretender to contender. But under the circumstances I think this makes the most sense.

How desperate is Minny to shed the KAT contract? We have a glaring hole at the 5 spot right now. The Donovan trade with Cleveland didn't happen until September.

I just don't think keeping Randle is a good idea unless he is willing to work with us on his contract. But all indications seem to point to him wanting to get the bag.

I don't see a path to getting KAT without including Josh Hart. Randle + Mitch + Duce is still +/- $1.25MM short of completing the trade.

I do like the idea of having KAT at the 5 and mixing offense/defense with Precious or small ball at the 4. Under the old CBA, Randle + Mitch for KAT would have been a no brainer.

Randle + Hart + Mitch + Duce for Towns + Reid would be very interesting IMO

Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby/Reid/Towns
Kolek/DDV/Precious

The wolves would have:
Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert
Dillingham/Duce/NAW/Hart/Robinson

Wolves improve their depth. Knicks balance out their roster.

[DaGawd]

that’s another thing with all the kat speculation.. there haven’t even been any legit signals that the wolves actually want to move him. it’s a waste of time even discussing it tbh

[KnixinSix]

I think ideal for the Knicks would be Randle opting into his 30.95mm option for next season and signing a 2 year section off of that which I believe would start at 43.3 and be a 2 year $89.9mm deal (total extension would be for 3 years 120.85mm)

The opt in would give NY just shy of $23.7mm of room below the apron with 10 players under contract - Anunoby, Brunson, Randle, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, DDV, McBride, Dadiet, Kolek. Enough room to use the taxpayer mid level (5,685,000), use bird rights to bring back Precious (or a player acquired via Precious trade) and have a few vet min slots.

NY has a window next year to operate under the 2nd apron, but very little path to not be a 2nd apron team the following 2 seasons. The next opportunity NY has to make a significant trade will likely come on draft night on 2026 - when NY can trade their 2026 1st, 2033 1st and the Detroit 1st NY has is potentially much more valuable than it currently is. At that point, I think Randle on a 2 year, sub max deal is a positive asset (Anunoby can also be the anchor or a trade).

I’m not saying this is ideal for Randle - ideal would be to trade him for a better #2 that turns this team from pretender to contender. But under the circumstances I think this makes the most sense.

How desperate is Minny to shed the KAT contract? We have a glaring hole at the 5 spot right now. The Donovan trade with Cleveland didn't happen until September.

I just don't think keeping Randle is a good idea unless he is willing to work with us on his contract. But all indications seem to point to him wanting to get the bag.

I don't see a path to getting KAT without including Josh Hart. Randle + Mitch + Duce is still +/- $1.25MM short of completing the trade.

I do like the idea of having KAT at the 5 and mixing offense/defense with Precious or small ball at the 4. Under the old CBA, Randle + Mitch for KAT would have been a no brainer.

Randle + Hart + Mitch + Duce for Towns + Reid would be very interesting IMO

Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby/Reid/Towns
Kolek/DDV/Precious

The wolves would have:
Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert
Dillingham/Duce/NAW/Hart/Robinson

Wolves improve their depth. Knicks balance out their roster.

Our roster would balance out quite a bit with a guy that can play 4 or 5 such as KAT can. Randle is not a 5.

1.25 M is very close and don't forget Randle has a 15% trade kicker so his salary would be around 34M going to the Wolves.

Also we have a couple guys like Sims making around 2 M or so. It can absolutely be done without including a Nova player.

[LakersSoul]

How does a trade with Lakers sound?

Lakers have Hayes and Wood as stretch 5 and looks like the Knicks need some big help after losing Hart. Also see that the Knicks have a glut at wing. If the Lakers gave either Hayes/Wood and fillers plus a SRP, what do you think Knicks could offer in return?

Thanks.

[aggo]

do you want Julius Randle?

[cldbld]

You know how to break chemistry? Trading away guys you wanted on your team.

[Richard4444]

How desperate is Minny to shed the KAT contract? We have a glaring hole at the 5 spot right now. The Donovan trade with Cleveland didn't happen until September.

I just don't think keeping Randle is a good idea unless he is willing to work with us on his contract. But all indications seem to point to him wanting to get the bag.

I don't see a path to getting KAT without including Josh Hart. Randle + Mitch + Duce is still +/- $1.25MM short of completing the trade.

I do like the idea of having KAT at the 5 and mixing offense/defense with Precious or small ball at the 4. Under the old CBA, Randle + Mitch for KAT would have been a no brainer.

Randle + Hart + Mitch + Duce for Towns + Reid would be very interesting IMO

Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby/Reid/Towns
Kolek/DDV/Precious

The wolves would have:
Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert
Dillingham/Duce/NAW/Hart/Robinson

Wolves improve their depth. Knicks balance out their roster.

Our roster would balance out quite a bit with a guy that can play 4 or 5 such as KAT can. Randle is not a 5.

1.25 M is very close and don't forget Randle has a 15% trade kicker so his salary would be around 34M going to the Wolves.

Also we have a couple guys like Sims making around 2 M or so. It can absolutely be done without including a Nova player.

- The trade kicker does not count as an outgoing salary to us.
- We can not package more than one min salary in a trade.

It would have to be Randle+Mitch+Deuce (or Precious in December) +Min guy.

[HarthorneWingo]

KAT will have retired as a TWolve ten years removed and people here will still be proposing trades for him. lol

[LakersSoul]

do you want Julius Randle?

No, we had him before and dont want the bull in china shop, plus can he outplay Bron or AD?

We really need wing help and think Knicks have a lot of depth there with the addition of Bridges. Who do you think is disposable and a fair trade for backup center and SRP trade?

[sol537]

I don't think we rock the boat until seeing what Randle and this core can do together for several months... so don't expect anything until after December and, if we make a trade, it will most likely be to upgrade the 5 position so Mitch can move into a back up role.

Precious + Deuce + min contract gets you to $12m+... Keep an eye out for that. Mitch himself is $14m+ and tack on Precious and that gets you to $20m+... So we could go after a $10-$12m center or a $20m center. 90% of the centers out there fall in that range or below. We'll be OK...

[DaGawd]

How does a trade with Lakers sound?

Lakers have Hayes and Wood as stretch 5 and looks like the Knicks need some big help after losing Hart. Also see that the Knicks have a glut at wing. If the Lakers gave either Hayes/Wood and fillers plus a SRP, what do you think Knicks could offer in return?

Thanks.

we’re closed for business thanks

[3toheadmelo]

that’s another thing with all the kat speculation.. there haven’t even been any legit signals that the wolves actually want to move him. it’s a waste of time even discussing it tbh

It’s people trying to cope with Randle being a Knick since we traded their favorite RJ. I love seeing them try to cope with fantasy trades everyday that aren’t realistic at all

[Iron Mantis]

I think ideal for the Knicks would be Randle opting into his 30.95mm option for next season and signing a 2 year section off of that which I believe would start at 43.3 and be a 2 year $89.9mm deal (total extension would be for 3 years 120.85mm)

The opt in would give NY just shy of $23.7mm of room below the apron with 10 players under contract - Anunoby, Brunson, Randle, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, DDV, McBride, Dadiet, Kolek. Enough room to use the taxpayer mid level (5,685,000), use bird rights to bring back Precious (or a player acquired via Precious trade) and have a few vet min slots.

NY has a window next year to operate under the 2nd apron, but very little path to not be a 2nd apron team the following 2 seasons. The next opportunity NY has to make a significant trade will likely come on draft night on 2026 - when NY can trade their 2026 1st, 2033 1st and the Detroit 1st NY has is potentially much more valuable than it currently is. At that point, I think Randle on a 2 year, sub max deal is a positive asset (Anunoby can also be the anchor or a trade).

I’m not saying this is ideal for Randle - ideal would be to trade him for a better #2 that turns this team from pretender to contender. But under the circumstances I think this makes the most sense.

How desperate is Minny to shed the KAT contract? We have a glaring hole at the 5 spot right now. The Donovan trade with Cleveland didn't happen until September.

I just don't think keeping Randle is a good idea unless he is willing to work with us on his contract. But all indications seem to point to him wanting to get the bag.

I don't see a path to getting KAT without including Josh Hart. Randle + Mitch + Duce is still +/- $1.25MM short of completing the trade.

I do like the idea of having KAT at the 5 and mixing offense/defense with Precious or small ball at the 4. Under the old CBA, Randle + Mitch for KAT would have been a no brainer.

Randle + Hart + Mitch + Duce for Towns + Reid would be very interesting IMO

Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby/Reid/Towns
Kolek/DDV/Precious

The wolves would have:
Conley/Ant/McDaniels/Randle/Gobert
Dillingham/Duce/NAW/Hart/Robinson

Wolves improve their depth. Knicks balance out their roster.

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