DievsZingis wrote:"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality"-Nikola Tesla
That quote is from like 100 years ago, he isn't talking about today. He's likely taking a shot at Einstein. He's only talking about theoretical physicists. Most people pretty much know that theoretical physics is based on mostly math rather than physical evidence and testing. It has been that way for a while. That's why string theory isn't a scientific theory, but a math theory. It's also why relativity is treated as fact while string theory is not. Einstein's relativity was originally mostly math as well, but science has confirmed a large amount of it to be accurate. Science and math are 2 different things. There is nothing wrong with using math to explore possibilities, but it's not science because it lacks empirical testing. Math is not greater than the scientific method, but that doesn't mean we can't learn things from it.
Scientists these days need to take a step back into reality a little. They are beginning to sound like the religious zealots who give us fantasies about the afterlife to look forward to. Look at what's hot these days...space movies. That is our new passion, because you know what, it's out there, we've found other Earth like planets, we are making warp drives, we will find them!
Again, it's not even close to fantasies about the afterlife. Sure, there is definitely some philosophy involved, but there is also massive testing. I don't see the harm in having the world's stop scientists putting their heads together to work on something like that.
This gives us a false notion that this world isn't that special, it's not the only one we have, yet all of their looking and prodding shows us otherwise. It's human nature, we **** this up, we'll get another one. I think that's dangerous.
Earth like planets are still VERY rare, but who cares if it shows us the world isn't that special?? What matters is the truth, not people's perception of how special they are. And yeah, learning how to travel long distances to other habitable planets could save the human race one day, should a proto planet or large enough asteroid head our way. The only dangerous thing is people who are afraid of science and fight it every step of of the way for no reason. It's not perfect, it doesn't tell us everything, but it points us in the right direction and eventually arrives at the answer.
We can't even get past the radiation belts surrounding our planet, we can't get far out enough to see our planet with our own eyes, yet people have fantasies about going to Mars and beyond. I'm talking about man, not probes.
Well if you're just going to flat out deny all humans that have worked in space or gone to the moon, I really can't argue. You can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't reflect reality.
Warp drives, hyper drives, bla bla, all based on MATHEMATICAL THEORIES, not practical experiments. Give me something when it's real, until then, this isn't just my world, this is my universe, and I hope everybody gets on board to take care of it.
Nobody's forcing you to follow math theories and treat them like gospel. Stop acting like it affects you negatively. Just ignore it and live in your little bubble and scientists will continue to research and develop things that can benefit the human race as a whole whether you approve or not. Nasa is super under funded and military is way over funded. We spend way more money on finding ways to kill each other and protect us from ourselves than we do on space exploration and research. It's a shame because that research could one day save us all. Continuing to have arms races and military conflicts could lead to our demise.
Thank you for taking the time to post. However, you're saying that I live in a bubble, things aren't affecting me negatively, I don't believe in the moon landings, etc....like I'm some kind of crazy person with a tin foil hat instead of a person with just some questions that arise from critical thinking, not from reading religious scriptures, and it seems like it's being assumed that's where I'm coming from. If that's the way it's going to go, then have a nice day. You guys are just as tough to have a meaningful conversation with without making it personal as religious people. That was the gist of my post, thanks for proving it.
I thought this was a Science AND Philosophy thread .
Science: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
Philosophy: the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.
I was actually curious, and wanted to talk more about the Orion project. Orion engineer Kelly Smith said that we must gather more information and data on the Van Allen Belts "before we send people through this region of space". The Van Allen belts start at only 345 miles above Earth. It's 2017. That was intriguing to me. I didn't clarify this before, but I assumed the rocket scientists here would know what I was talking about, not come to the conclusion that I was a moon landing hoaxer. The questions that I have are formed from the exact information that I'm given from people I look to for answers, not because of some personal beliefs.
"Within mere days of launch, the Van Allen Probes showed scientists something that would require rewriting textbooks
Look up "The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation". Don Pettit, a chemical engineer and NASA astronaut, explains that in order to do something other than to go to space, come back and say "I"m a good boy" (Apollo guys), we must be more resourceful in order to gain anything of use. And it's next to impossible because we are still relying on rockets, therefore we can't bring anything with us to wherever we are going because almost 90 percent of the payload is fuel. The fact that we went to the moon in a near empty vessel gives people this false notion that we are headed to other planets soon to do anything worthwhile. According to him, with the resources that we have on Earth, it is impossible to go into not even that deep space. But one thing we can do is come up with math theories and make up things that won't exist to quench our thirst. And that's fine, I love reading that stuff...the what if's. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna start believing it's gonna happen. I would be no different than somebody who's waiting for Jesus. The more you look into it, the more you realize, we are very, very far behind. And that was my point, and you are shooting it down saying it will do humanity good one day. We will be extinct by then, through our own doing or naturally.
You're hanging onto the quote, but the point of bringing up Tesla was to point out what he was about, a practical scientist who invented things, where is that today? It's just computers, computers, computers. Bill Gates and his guys made a machine that made water out of ****...we need more things like that. the 50's and 60's were a great time, we saw actual physical machines, like the Blackbird, doing amazing things, not numbers thrown in the air and what if's. Where are they? We just spent 100 billion dollars on a fighter jet that can't outperform the one that it's replacing, it lost in a dogfight to a plane from decades ago. Really?
Anyway, I just posted some thoughts, and I'm told to mind my own business and let the scientists work because the world that's deteriorating around us while we look up at the sky doesn't affect me. OK. Yes, I do live in a bubble, but guess what? You live in the same one. And it's 24,901 miles in circumference.
I'm not here to make this a philosophy VS science thread, so I'll move along.