O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[kasino]

pretty much BS.
all civilizations have a number of things in common, the one theing for certain was that they didn't have answers to questions we have today. Man has always found ways to explain the unknown. In the past the go to answer was God(Heavens) but always challenged by science. With 2012 coming up this is another attempt to explain the unknown with the devine.
He fused all known conspiracy theories together. Only living out pyramid's(which might be spaceships).

To believe this you would have to believe that the world is run by an organized group of men different backgrounds, cultures and aagenda's. Men that whole nothing in common but being human(but I guess we would put aside our differences if we had alien snake people bossing us around).

This is really something Tom Cruise would believe in.

[Deeeez Knicks]

damn aliens have been sabotaging the Knicks for years.

[gavran]

I can total believe in time traval theory.That could explain helicopters and shapeships in hieroglphs in egypt.

Those arend helicopters and shapeships, those are just two different layers of hierogliphs on top of each other. Once you separate them, it all makes sense.

[ITGM]

Exactly, and even for that we'd need an insane energy source...

Yeah, that's why I said above in my prior posts that it's scalable...just not with the current systems we have.

--Mags

Nikola Tesla

[magnumt]

Yeah, I think that was the Experiment. My point though is that years ago, Time Travel period was thought not doable or centuries away. We've already proven that half-way (Forward), in the coming Decades...who's to say we can't prove the other half (Backwards)?

See where I'm coming from?

Oh and to answer your question above, it's on many of the Documentaries (which also carry over from Books), that the Science and History Channels run. Google should be able to help you fill the gaps you need if you want a detailed breakdown.

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You mean the God Particle?

But seriously, if that were the case then String Theory and Singularities would be a false logic, because then the "Big Bang" would be impossible.

--Mags

If there were a theory title, it'd be much easier to google. More of a wild goose chase if you're just looking through all time travel theories that have come out.

God particle would destroy the string theory and some other things, but it's just the most intriguing to me. I'm a big fan of string theory/m-theory etc. The concepts when simplified can explain a lot, but I'm willing to explore anything that has a new outlook. Like you said, when considering all of the advances we've made in a short time period...anything is possible at this point. Scientists can create a universe in a lab according to some crazy equations.

At this point yeah, that's all the Field of Study in that area is. It's just too new of a Knowledge Tree compared to the other Sciences to have fleshed out/concrete lines defined (at least to major practical senses).

Scientists have created Micro-Cosmos in labs already.

And yeah, I like to think that those who blow off a Theory fail to realize that it's just that: a THEORY! Decades in the future can prove/disprove a Theory one way or the other, and end up making at least one party looking foolish.

But I do agree, talks/Threads like these are fun to have...and far to few on the Board. With the Off-Season now on, we should continue this Thread as our sort of Science/Philosophy Thread and grow it.

--Mags

[j4remi]

Exactly, and even for that we'd need an insane energy source...

Yeah, that's why I said above in my prior posts that it's scalable...just not with the current systems we have.

--Mags

So what do you think of the time traveller paradox...If you go back in time and kill yourself before you discovered time travel blah blah blah, head spinning...you guys definitely know it if you're familiar with all this other stuff.

[TheBluest]

i think its an interesting theory. i don't think believing that the human race was created by a race of aliens is that difference from believing in some all powerful entity.

I've been trying to get around to reading a couple of different books (forbidden archeology, and chariots of the gods) apart from looking for a book that explains and goes into detail about how Mesopotamian mythology pertains to the abrahamic religions. i do find it interesting that in Rev 4:5 it says

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

and in Sumerian mythology their are 7 gods who decree (anu, enlil, ki, enki, ishtar, sin, and sama).


personally I'm by no means some learned scholar on this subject, but it has intrigued me my whole life and I'm always willing to learn something new.

Please break down Daniel 10:13 and 10:20.....I'd like to get your thoughts

[magnumt]

Exactly, and even for that we'd need an insane energy source...

Yeah, that's why I said above in my prior posts that it's scalable...just not with the current systems we have.

--Mags

Nikola Tesla

You won't reach "trigger points" with that. You need a power system that can drive large volumes of power, with low fields of waste and scatter (thus reducing dangers and need to waste further money on large scale containment systems). Its why Nuclear Tech hasn't taken off yet: containment is just too damn expensive.

--Mags

[method]

I can total believe in time traval theory.That could explain helicopters and shapeships in hieroglphs in egypt.

Those arend helicopters and shapeships, those are just two different layers of hierogliphs on top of each other. Once you separate them, it all makes sense.

While that may be true.It doesnt explain 3000 year old gold spaceships figures that are in a muesuem today that have been tested and found aerodynamic.They have proof of the acients haveing knowledge of aerodynamics.


edit:why would they be on top of each other if it wasnt meant to be that way?Of course if you seperate a hierogliph you could make it mean anthing.But it wasnt meant to.

[kane2021]

Breading with Cro Magnon's to create a slave race for what? Look no further than the earth itself. Look at the equator line and the countries around it and you will see characteristics in the people from those countries. Because of the difference in climate and conditions.

Now planets further or closer to the sun would be no different. My point being this, if you are breading people here, for a slave race, and exporting them, wouldn't life be difficult to impossible with the severe difference in climate?

Creating a slave race on earth would be for slave labor on earth. The video claims they came here for our gold. Why? Why would a race from another planet with the technology to travel planets, while primitive man is exiting the caveman stage, want the earths gold? If there technologically this advanced at that time, why would they need our currency?

I feel the human bottle neck theory much better supports our current race. While I do believe there are other life forms out there, I dont see what they would want with our gold, and what a slave race would benefit them. I would have to question WHAT the authors motives are.

Because I have always been under the impression that the powers to be have been preparing for life past earth. With our long history of dependence of gold, Iraq having gold as there 2nd most valuable natural resource, space missions, makes me wonder if this isnt yet another smoke screen manipulating ancient writings to either sway people from truth, or to make people accept space ships of the human powers to be coming to take our s***.

1st, this video is humorous, and I hardly believe any of it (thought I've warmed a little over the Years to the extra Planets theory due to REALLY eccentric Orbits being discovered more and more in the Universe now).

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Granted with all that said, I love your posts Kane, and when you post too...I just wanted to address the question you post about the Gold Angle:

Resources are spread throughout the Universe. So it cold be in their region Gold doesn't exist in large quantities (or even at all), or that they may have depleted what they have. Remember, Gold is a great Technological conductor of Electricity. Heck, there's likely Resources out there on nearby Planets that we could REALLY use, but just haven;t discovered yet due to our lack of (correct that, sudden halt) in Space Exploration.

--Mags

I agree with you on the video, and these theories on other planets. Over the past few years this is something that has been brought to my attention more and more.

As for gold, I thought about it myself while writing it. I understand what you saying. Raw gold is very soft and heavy. I own and sport a lot of gold. (and will never sell it off) The gold we know is mixed with other metals to make it stronger. (I know you know that, just in case others dont)

The reason for its value is that it does not tarnish and its rarity. Your right gold is a excellent conductor. As is copper, brass, silver, etc etc. But those metals tarnish. We have seen other metals come to the for front. Such as platinum, iridium etc etc. But as you said, it could be that this was still undiscovered. We are talking ages.

Its a good point. Because we are selves have diminished our resources. And also have found new resources. And in some research I have done shows hints of it may have fallen out of the sky. I suppose there could be a reason for wanting our gold at that time. But as we are in agreement, this video........ nah.

[j4remi]

Yeah, I think that was the Experiment. My point though is that years ago, Time Travel period was thought not doable or centuries away. We've already proven that half-way (Forward), in the coming Decades...who's to say we can't prove the other half (Backwards)?

See where I'm coming from?

Oh and to answer your question above, it's on many of the Documentaries (which also carry over from Books), that the Science and History Channels run. Google should be able to help you fill the gaps you need if you want a detailed breakdown.

======================================

You mean the God Particle?

But seriously, if that were the case then String Theory and Singularities would be a false logic, because then the "Big Bang" would be impossible.

--Mags

If there were a theory title, it'd be much easier to google. More of a wild goose chase if you're just looking through all time travel theories that have come out.

God particle would destroy the string theory and some other things, but it's just the most intriguing to me. I'm a big fan of string theory/m-theory etc. The concepts when simplified can explain a lot, but I'm willing to explore anything that has a new outlook. Like you said, when considering all of the advances we've made in a short time period...anything is possible at this point. Scientists can create a universe in a lab according to some crazy equations.

At this point yeah, that's all the Field of Study in that area is. It's just too new of a Knowledge Tree compared to the other Sciences to have fleshed out/concrete lines defined (at least to major practical senses).

Scientists have created Micro-Cosmos in labs already.

And yeah, I like to think that those who blow off a Theory fail to realize that it's just that: a THEORY! Decades in the future can prove/disprove a Theory one way or the other, and end up making at least one party looking foolish.

But I do agree, talks/Threads like these are fun to have...and far to few on the Board. With the Off-Season now on, we should continue this Thread as our sort of Science/Philosophy Thread and grow it.

--Mags

Agreed...Philosophy and contemporary science...the most interesting topics of discussion imho.

[method]

Nikola Tesla

Way ahead of his time,he should of been the one we should of been listen to and not Edison.

[magnumt]

I can total believe in time traval theory.That could explain helicopters and shapeships in hieroglphs in egypt.

Those arend helicopters and shapeships, those are just two different layers of hierogliphs on top of each other. Once you separate them, it all makes sense.

Everything is explainable if you look hard enough, right? I bet I can explain that the letter X is really two other symbols accidentally placed on top of each other.

And dude, talk about butchering words.

So what do you think of the time traveller paradox...If you go back in time and kill yourself before you discovered time travel blah blah blah, head spinning...you guys definitely know it if you're familiar with all this other stuff.

The minute you alter your own History you create a separate continuing time-line (IE: Parallel Universe). That's not to say you'd then be cut off from that Universe either. Every bubble can be penetrated (IE: crossed over), we just haven't reach the level yet to do so, or fully comprehend how to.

--Mags

[j4remi]

I can total believe in time traval theory.That could explain helicopters and shapeships in hieroglphs in egypt.

Those arend helicopters and shapeships, those are just two different layers of hierogliphs on top of each other. Once you separate them, it all makes sense.

While that may be true.It doesnt explain 3000 year old gold spaceships figures that are in a muesuem today that have been tested and found aerodynamic.They have proof of the acients haveing knowledge of aerodynamics.

Ancient batteries too...there are some strange things out there.

[magnumt]

Way ahead of his time,he should of been the one we should of been listen to and not Edison.

Agreed. But we don't have the Containment Technology yet (as I alluded to above) to fully maximize that on a grand scale yet.

Once we do though...watch the f' out!!! It'll be a new age(s) for mankind

--Mags

[j4remi]

And dude, talk about butchering words.

Whatever, I knew you'd know what I meant...

So what do you think of the time traveller paradox...If you go back in time and kill yourself before you discovered time travel blah blah blah, head spinning...you guys definitely know it if you're familiar with all this other stuff.

The minute you alter your own History you create a separate continuing time-line (IE: Parallel Universe). That's not to say you'd then be cut off from that Universe either. Every bubble can be penetrated (IE: crossed over), we just haven't reach the level yet to do so, or fully comprehend how to.

--Mags

I see, that's a cool way to look at it (sorta combines a couple of theories I've heard). Have you seen on the Discovery Science channel the Parallel Universes special? If not, you probably know the whole theory of "everything that can happen, has happened in a universe parallel to ours" sorta thing. I've never seen them suggest we could break into those other universes but it'd be a crazy way to throw that theory into a million new possibilities.

[gavran]

Those arend helicopters and shapeships, those are just two different layers of hierogliphs on top of each other. Once you separate them, it all makes sense.

Everything is explainable if you look hard enough, right? I bet I can explain that the letter X is really two other symbols accidentally placed on top of each other.

True, you can explain everything in a lot of different ways, but that's where Occam's razor kicks in. Helicopters and submarines make no sense in ancient Egypt, but tales of a dead pharao do (which is the case in Abydos)

[method]

And dude, talk about butchering words.

Yeah I type way to fast without proof reading.Also doesnt help that I dont have spellcheck on.

[magnumt]

Ancient batteries too...there are some strange things out there.

Yeah, when I 1st saw that I was like whooooooooooh!

Egyptians really had some things they shouldn't have (as did many of the other Ancient Powers). The Romans for example should not have had such a grasp of Architecture and Infrastructure. The Babylonians should not have known so much about Agriculture or Metallurgy. The Greeks/Persians about Naval/Astronomy. The Myans about Astronomy/Math.

You get the point.

--Mags

[j4remi]

The one-electron universe hypothesis, commonly associated with Richard Feynman when he mentioned it in his Nobel lecture,[1] postulates that there exists only a single electron in the universe, propagating through space and time in such a way as to appear in many places simultaneously.

“Your inner body is not solid but spacious…. Physicists have discovered that the apparent solidity of matter is an illusion created by our senses. This includes the physical body, which we perceive and think of as form, but 99.99% of which is actually empty space. This is how vast the space is between the atoms compared to their size, and there is as much space again within each atom. In many ways it is a microcosmic version of outer space” - Eckhart Tolle

Haha, Bickford Schmeckler's Cool Ideas style. Love that quote dude, really makes you wonder.