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Post#241 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jul 2, 2014 5:10 pm

Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo
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Post#242 » by Workforce250 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:39 pm

So is Melo going to Syracuse?
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Post#243 » by clydewally » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:04 pm

I am confused about how the Rockets can sign Bosh and then resign Chandler and wondering if we can do something similar to sign Pau Gasol and then Melo.

If we traded Bargnani along with an asset (like Houston did with Aski and Lin), it looks like we would be under the cap enough to sign Gasol for $10 million and then sign Melo for the max. Or does this not work because there is a big cap hold for Melo and so we would still be over the cap even after eliminating Bargs' salary?

If that is the case, and there is a cap hold for Melo, how much is it?
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Post#244 » by BKAY » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:33 pm

Can anyone verify if I am interpreting this right....

right now TV deal is 930,000,000. Players get 51% of BRI which means that the TV deal is $14,821,875 of the salary cap?.... (930,000,000 * .51= 474,300,000/32= 14,821,875)

If TV Deal jumps to 1.2 Billion....which it will EASILY. (1,200,000,000* .51= 612,000,000/32= $19,125,000) ~5 mill jump
....1.6 Billion: (1,600,000,000 * .51= 816,000,000/32= $25,500,000) ~ 11 mill jump


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Post#245 » by nykgeneralmanager » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:18 am

BKAY wrote:Can anyone verify if I am interpreting this right....

right now TV deal is 930,000,000. Players get 51% of BRI which means that the TV deal is $14,821,875 of the salary cap?.... (930,000,000 * .51= 474,300,000/32= 14,821,875)

If TV Deal jumps to 1.2 Billion....which it will EASILY. (1,200,000,000* .51= 612,000,000/32= $19,125,000) ~5 mill jump
....1.6 Billion: (1,600,000,000 * .51= 816,000,000/32= $25,500,000) ~ 11 mill jump


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I don't know if it works exactly like that, but most estimates have the new TV deal being worth close to $2 billion, and the salary cap jumping to $75-80 million. Keep in mind that next year's cap is projected to be about $66 million, so that would mean a $9-14 million increase from next season. So that pretty much falls in line with your math.
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Post#246 » by stuporman » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:54 am

I just wonder if they are going to let it bump the cap in one season or scale it in over a few seasons.

If they let it hit all in one the Knicks would have another chance to add a max type talent in 2016, if not then the Knicks won't be able to.

I know if it does hit all at once there would be alot of teams with that flexibility but of course NY is a primo destination that would give them an added advantage especially if the Knicks were a playoff team and just one player away from being a title contender at that point.
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Post#247 » by suicidedeuce » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:18 pm

stuporman wrote:I just wonder if they are going to let it bump the cap in one season or scale it in over a few seasons.

If they let it hit all in one the Knicks would have another chance to add a max type talent in 2016, if not then the Knicks won't be able to.

I know if it does hit all at once there would be alot of teams with that flexibility but of course NY is a primo destination that would give them an added advantage especially if the Knicks were a playoff team and just one player away from being a title contender at that point.


The NBA has to pick there poison. First of all, recall the cap is going to go up over $8m over two years ($58 to $66m without the benefit of a new national TV deal). So there may be cap growth coming independent of the national TV deal.

the national TV partners may not want to backload a deal. Remember, the NBA can't choose to spread out new revenue as they choose. Its a mathematical formula. They have to include new revenue AS he league receives.

So instead of structuring a new deal for $2B a year over say 8 years, if they structure it so its an AVERAGE of $2B a year over 8 years, the cap is going to go up a chunk EVERY year, again, more as more new revenue streams in from other sources.

AND... remember, the players gave back a decent percentage of revenue in the new CBA. If there is a strike/lockout after 2016-17 and the players get back some of the revenue they gave up, that's another mechanism that cap will go up independent of any new revenue.

There is a decent chance the cap is going up in a BIG way by a variety of factors in 3-4 years time. $80m just may be the starting point.
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Post#248 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:08 pm

stuporman wrote:I just wonder if they are going to let it bump the cap in one season or scale it in over a few seasons.

If they let it hit all in one the Knicks would have another chance to add a max type talent in 2016, if not then the Knicks won't be able to.

I know if it does hit all at once there would be alot of teams with that flexibility but of course NY is a primo destination that would give them an added advantage especially if the Knicks were a playoff team and just one player away from being a title contender at that point.


yeah, nobody really knows. I def wouldn't rule out the possibility that the TV deal gets worked out so that its only a gradual increase initially.

Then we will have a new CBA and very possible lockout/strike in 2017. Even still, there is so much money in the pot that the players are going to need there cut and get paid.

No matter how it all shakes out, its always wise to be very smart with how you spend. That has been the one consistent theme in the last 20 years or so of the NBA. It would not be very smart to spend a ton now just because we think the cap may go up a lot.
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Post#249 » by moocow007 » Sat Aug 9, 2014 3:00 am

dckingsfan wrote:Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo


Honestly? I would pass for the Knicks. Contracts for the 3 are just too long and too big for what you get, especially since this will not only blow any thought of landing a big name FA in 2015 away, itll also eat into any shot of a big name player in 2016.

Nene would be an upgrade over Stoudemire sure but he rarely makes it through a season without stints on the DL. 2 years of maybe 50-60 games a season? Bleh. Not a fan of Webster. Hes basically just a shooter. Not a good defender, cant create his own shot. Hardaway can do everything he does at a fraction of the price. Webster has 3 years at about 5.8 million per left on his contract for an backup caliber SG. No need for that at all. Keeping Shumpert is much better. Plus Webster will be out the first part of the season with a back problem. Mayo? Hes another SG. This trade would give the Knicks 4 SGs again (who combine to make over $20 million a season.. No reason for that either. And Mayos contract is even bigger. Just adding talent doesnt mean it makes sense. Isiah Thomas found that out. This is an Isiah Thomas like trade.

The Knicks should do with Stoudemire what they should have done with Ewing at the end of his Knick career...just let Stoudemires expiring contract expire. Then use the cap space to get a real new impact player instead of adding long contracted role players to a team that isnt good enough to compete for a title.
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Post#250 » by dckingsfan » Sat Aug 9, 2014 3:15 am

moocow007 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo


Honestly? I would pass for the Knicks. Contracts for the 3 are just too long.

Nene would be an upgrade over Stoudemire sure but he rarely makes it through a season without stints on the DL. 2 years of maybe 50-60 games a season? Bleh. Not a fan of Webster. Hes basically just a shooter. Not a good defender, cant create his own shot. Hardaway can do everything he does at a fraction of the price. Webster has 3 years at about 5.8 million per left on his contract for an backup caliber SG. No need for that at all. Keeping Shumpert is much better. Plus Webster will be out the first part of the season with a back problem. Mayo? Hes another SG. This trade would give the Knicks 4 SGs again (who combine to make over $20 million a season.. No reason for that either. And Mayos contract is even bigger. Just adding talent doesnt mean it makes sense. Isiah Thomas found that out. This is an Isiah Thomas like trade.

The Knicks should do with Stoudemire what they should have done with Ewing at the end of his Knick career...just let Stoudemires expiring contract expire. Then use the cap space to get a real new impact player instead of adding long contracted role players to a team that isnt good enough to compete for a title.


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Post#251 » by dakomish23 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:16 am

dckingsfan wrote:Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo


I'm in the minority but I think Nene is overrated. He showed a so much promise pre-cancer. He's a good big in a league lacking many, but he's not the monster BSPN had him touted as after what 2 great games in the first rd? Underrated defender, but is he worth 13 mil per?
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Post#252 » by dckingsfan » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:29 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo


I'm in the minority but I think Nene is overrated. He showed a so much promise pre-cancer. He's a good big in a league lacking many, but he's not the monster BSPN had him touted as after what 2 great games in the first rd? Underrated defender, but is he worth 13 mil per?


And now with Webster hurt, you definitely don't do that deal.
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Post#253 » by NYKBaller » Sun Oct 5, 2014 1:21 pm

Bored and excited about the season, the two midseason trades I can see happening at the deadline with our cap situation to absorb contracts are these two which I can see propelling us to atleast the ECF.

Zach Randolph, marc gasol and quincy pondexter for amare, jr smith and Travis outlaw. We get our triangle big man at age 29 before he hits free agency, get our starting power forward and quincy a scrub.

Memphis does the trade for a cap space do over. Amare and outlaw both come off the books at the end of the year and if JR chooses too with his player option, he'll come off too. I can see this happening if memphis has a losing record by allstar break.

Second trade is andrea bargnani, jr smith and travis outlaw for ersan illaysova and larry sanders. We get a good passing forward and a defensive Stallworth at the center position with sanders. Look at the numbers besides the blocks the intimidation factor along is worth it.

Milwaukee does the trade to fully hand the team over to jabari parker and giannis. Cap clearing moves to remove the long contracts and as good as sanders is, he is headache that jason kidd probably would do without unless it's for championship aspirations.

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Post#254 » by PMFJB » Tue Oct 7, 2014 7:28 pm

NYKBaller wrote:Bored and excited about the season, the two midseason trades I can see happening at the deadline with our cap situation to absorb contracts are these two which I can see propelling us to atleast the ECF.

Zach Randolph, marc gasol and quincy pondexter for amare, jr smith and Travis outlaw. We get our triangle big man at age 29 before he hits free agency, get our starting power forward and quincy a scrub.

Memphis does the trade for a cap space do over. Amare and outlaw both come off the books at the end of the year and if JR chooses too with his player option, he'll come off too. I can see this happening if memphis has a losing record by allstar break.

Second trade is andrea bargnani, jr smith and travis outlaw for ersan illaysova and larry sanders. We get a good passing forward and a defensive Stallworth at the center position with sanders. Look at the numbers besides the blocks the intimidation factor along is worth it.

Milwaukee does the trade to fully hand the team over to jabari parker and giannis. Cap clearing moves to remove the long contracts and as good as sanders is, he is headache that jason kidd probably would do without unless it's for championship aspirations.

Just my thoughts, what do y'all think?


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Post#255 » by Nyk4lyfe » Sun Nov 2, 2014 8:10 pm

Guys, when do start to get an idea of how much the salary cap will be this year? I know it was predicted to be around 68 mil but won't that go up now cause to TV deal?
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Post#256 » by spaceballer » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:44 pm

Nyk4lyfe wrote:Guys, when do start to get an idea of how much the salary cap will be this year? I know it was predicted to be around 68 mil but won't that go up now cause to TV deal?


The new TV deal doesn't affect this season's salary cap. The salary cap was announced after the July Moratorium. Any overages or shortfalls will be addressed after the fact with remedy measures specified in the CBA when the next salary cap is announced after next summer's July Moratorium.

This season's salary cap was set in stone when it was officially announced by the accountants after the July Moratorium, before any free agents could be signed. It will not change over the course of the season, no matter what happens to incoming revenue in terms of fluctuations or disparity to projections.

Discrepancies between projections and actual revenue during this season will be remedied with adjustments in the NEXT salary cap calculations. It cannot in any way change this season's salary cap, which is set in stone once it was officially announced. Gotta have a single firm, unchanging figure in order for GMs to plan the season's spending.

Besides, the new TV deal doesn't kick in for this season anyway.
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Post#257 » by Tricky_Kid » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:26 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Could I get your feedback on this trade?

Wizards trade: Nene, Webster and Miller
Wizards receive: Amare and Ilyasova

Bucks trade: Ilyasova and Mayo
Bucks receive: Miller and Shumpert

Knicks trade: Amare and Shumpert
Knicks receive: Nene, Webster and Mayo


I'm in the minority but I think Nene is overrated. He showed a so much promise pre-cancer. He's a good big in a league lacking many, but he's not the monster BSPN had him touted as after what 2 great games in the first rd? Underrated defender, but is he worth 13 mil per?



Nene overrated really? Have you been watched PO series wizards against Bulls? He owned Noah (DPOY) literally in each game. Changing him into Amare is like a bad joke. Ilyasova is another **** not worth any deal.
Webster has own limitation he is not good defender but great 3pts shooter. I wonder who would like to sign with Shumpert? For sure not wizards.
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Post#258 » by Zooropa » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:48 am

So Melo and JR both have trade kickers (15% I think) that the Knicks would have to pay if they were traded. Does that count against the cap?
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Post#259 » by Houston99 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:10 pm

•2015: $63,065,000
•2016: $66,300,000
•2017: $87,196,327
•2018: $94,013,221
•2019: $99,793,454
•2020: $105,831,199
•2021: $112,143,389
•2022: $118,748,073
•2023: $125,664,483
•2024: $132,913,117
•2025: $139,237,538


This is the future cap projections..we are going to ave a bright future fellas.
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Post#260 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:44 pm

Houston99 wrote:•2015: $63,065,000
•2016: $66,300,000
•2017: $87,196,327
•2018: $94,013,221
•2019: $99,793,454
•2020: $105,831,199
•2021: $112,143,389
•2022: $118,748,073
•2023: $125,664,483
•2024: $132,913,117
•2025: $139,237,538

That's crazy. Assuming they stay with the max formula, a max cat in 2025 is getting 30 per cent of $139 million? (42 million a year?)


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