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[Draft News] - Knicks Like Julyan Stone? 76'ers & Brooks? 

Post#1 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:24 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20178

After plenty of speculation and rumors, Andre Iguodala may find a new home this week. The Philadelphia 76ers continue to work the phones with the NBA Draft right around the corner, and it sounds like they want this situation resolved before Thursday night.

Before the 76ers decide who they're going to select with the 16th overall pick, they want to know what their roster will look like going forward. If Iguodala isn't dealt, they'll likely draft a big man such as Markieff Morris or Donatas Motiejunas. However, if Philadelphia is able to move their star for a big, they're expected to eye a perimeter scorer such as Marshon Brooks or Jordan Hamilton.


The rumor mill will surely continue to churn as the draft approaches, but the prospects likely won't be the only ones finding new homes on Thursday. With Iguodala and so many other veterans being shopped including Monta Ellis, Andre Miller and Jameer Nelson, trades may steal the show on the draft night.


The Buzz Around Julyan Stone: The word most often used to describe Julyan Stone is "intriguing." As a 6-foot-7 point guard with a 6-foot-10 wingspan, he has heard that word repeatedly throughout the draft process. Many teams have brought Stone in for workouts because of his extraordinary size, but by the time he's finished working out, most executives end up talking about his game rather than his frame.

Stone has been excellent in front of teams, which has allowed him increase his stock and generate a considerable amount of buzz with less than one week until the draft. Plenty of teams have called and seen him play, but Stone believes there are four teams that are particularly interested in selecting him on Thursday - the New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami HEAT and Washington Wizards.


"Those are the teams that I feel are the most interested right now," Stone told HOOPSWORLD. "I've done about nine or ten workouts now. I feel like every team has been intrigued by me because of my size and the different things I bring to the game, but I feel like those four teams are the most serious about me. I'm just going to play my game, finish up these last three workouts and then hopefully on Thursday, my name gets called."


The process didn't hit Stone until he worked out in Los Angeles and New York and thought of all the great players that had made names for themselves on those courts.

"Being from the West coast, everybody loves the Lakers where I'm from," Stone said. "So to walk in there and see pictures of them winning the Finals and pictures of all the players on the walls including Magic Johnson, who is my basketball idol, it was like, 'Man, I'm really close to making it.'"

"With Donnie Walsh in New York, it's just crazy seeing someone like that sitting there and watching you play," he said. "Going to the Knicks practice gym where a lot of great players and coaches have been, the Knicks prestige really just caught me off guard. Walking in there and seeing everything, it was like, 'Man, I really have a chance to accomplish my goals and I'm really sitting here with all of these people looking at me.'"


Because of Stone's size, he has been able to dominate smaller guards in workouts and also display his versatility at times by guarding shooting guards and small forwards. In most workouts, teams will play him at multiple positions to get a feel for his game and see if he can handle different defensive assignments.

"Going to these workouts with all of these other point guards, they're a lot smaller than me so I'm able to use my size," Stone said. "One thing I've noticed throughout all of this is that teams like my versatility. Yesterday, in the Miami HEAT workout for instance, I was going against Andrew Goudelock and then Kyle Singler. They like to see my versatility - if I can jump from position to position. I think it has really benefitted me, being a tall point guard that can see over the small point guards and then also being able to adjust and go guard someone even at the three. A lot of these teams have liked my versatility and being bigger than the other point guards gives me an advantage defensively and offensively."


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Draft Notes:

The Sacramento Kings are split on whether or not they should draft Jimmer Fredette with the seventh overall pick. Ownership wants the team to select Fredette because they feel he's the big name who can generate interest and sell tickets, which is crucial for Sacramento at this point. However, the Kings' coaching staff doesn't feel that Fredette is the answer and have even made their case against drafting Fredette by breaking down his game film and presenting evidence to show why his transition to the NBA is expected to be a difficult one. At the end of the day, it sounds like the coaches will win out in Sacramento, which means the Kings will likely draft a small forward on Thursday.


:pray: :pray: :pray: 4 Fredette --> NY Knicks

When Tristan Thompson received an invite to the green room instead of someone like Bismack Biyombo, there was a lot of surprise around the NBA. Thompson has a lot of potential, but he had been projected as a borderline lottery pick at best throughout this process. However, it all starts to make sense when you consider that the Detroit Pistons love Thompson and there is a growing belief that he could be selected with the eighth overall pick. This would explain his invite and Thompson gives Detroit a power forward to pair with Greg Monroe.


Andrew Goudelock continues to shoot lights out in workouts and it seems he has solidified himself as a high second-round pick at the very least. The New Jersey Nets and Chicago Bulls are expressing interest in Goudelock at the end of the first round, and if they don't snatch him up, he's expected to be drafted early in round two, with teams like the Sacramento Kings and Charlotte Bobcats very interested. Goudelock is one of the best shooters in this class and has continued to climb draft boards since his dominant showing during the Pre-Draft Camp in Chicago.


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Post#2 » by NYman15 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:39 pm

thanks for the update mags. lots of news, some good, some bad. It would be great if Jimmer falls even a little so another team takes him around 11-14 forcing another player to drop as well. The bad news is if Philly takes a guard instead of a big man which would mean one less guard for us at 17. Still, everything is fluid, lots of time for things to change.
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Post#3 » by moocow007 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:50 pm

Stone really is kinda like Darius Morris (not as skilled with the ball) in that I think they were "forced" into the point position because of their ability to handle the ball (mixed with poor shooting), lack of better options for their respective teams and I'd imagine an attempt to create some mismatches on their coaches behalf. His passing is nice (in spots kinda look like Magic with the no look hook passes lol) but I'm not sure he is comfortable enough with the ball in his hands to really be able to man the point in the NBA when you can bet teams will look to guard him close and try to strip the ball due to his high dribble. Like Morris his shooting also is not good. If the Knicks manage a mid-late 2nd rounder and feel like they want to take a chance, sure, but not being a shooter and questions about whether he can create his own shot in the NBA will hinder him.
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Post#4 » by j4remi » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:53 pm

Mags your draft coverage has been impeccable this year. Before any discussion, I think you deserve a friggin appreciation thread for the work you've put in!

Stone's name has come out of no where for me...I don't recall seeing him mentioned once before or hearing anything about his workout. I have to read up on him now and see if I can watch clips of his play.

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Post#5 » by Knicked_Up » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:53 pm

Why does everyone want Jimmer? He is a score first guy and we have two 25 ppg players. We need more of a facilitator guard or someone who can play some d and board than we need a guy like Jimmer.
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Post#6 » by j4remi » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:56 pm

moocow007 wrote:Stone really is kinda like Darius Morris (not as skilled with the ball) in that I think they were "forced" into the point position because of their ability to handle the ball (mixed with poor shooting), lack of better options for their respective teams and I'd imagine an attempt to create some mismatches on their coaches behalf. His passing is nice (in spots kinda look like Magic with the no look hook passes lol) but I'm not sure he is comfortable enough with the ball in his hands to really be able to man the point in the NBA when you can bet teams will look to guard him close and try to strip the ball due to his high dribble. Like Morris his shooting also is not good. If the Knicks manage a mid-late 2nd rounder and feel like they want to take a chance, sure, but not being a shooter and questions about whether he can create his own shot in the NBA will hinder him.


Thanks for the breakdown moo. I gotta say, this is an interesting piece of information coupled with talk of a trade for Flynn (undersized SG when you really consider his game). As a tandem, they'd make for an intriguing young back court at least. If Stone really measures that tall, he really gives you a ton of options with your starting line-up which is a wet dream for Mike.
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Post#7 » by taj2133 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:01 pm

I don't think the sixers will take a shooting guard they will take big guy.
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Post#8 » by moocow007 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:07 pm

taj2133 wrote:I don't think the sixers will take a shooting guard they will take big guy.


Yeah me neither. They apparently want Thad Young back pretty badly (already gave him the QO) and they have Evan Turner (who I beleive they view as a SG). These 2 guys along with Holiday are basically the foundation of their team. Sure Brand is going to be around for a bit but they still lack size/length up front especially in the long run. Mareese Speights has been a spud and Spencer Hawes is only a step up from spudding himself. They need to go big and I think they'll be choosing between the 3 bigs that project to be around where they pick (Markieff Morris, Donatas Motiejunas or Nikola Vucevic). My guess is Markieff Morris (best defensive player and the anti-Speights will probably be what Collins prefers). Motiejunas may sneak in if he can impress them in the upcoming workout.
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Post#9 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:33 pm

NYman15 wrote:thanks for the update mags.


j4remi wrote:Mags your draft coverage has been impeccable this year. Before any discussion, I think you deserve a friggin appreciation thread for the work you've put in!


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Post#10 » by captain subtext » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:43 pm

j4remi wrote:Stone's name has come out of no where for me...I don't recall seeing him mentioned once before or hearing anything about his workout.


There was a rumour going around twitter (I read it on @draftexpress) some time ago, that Stone had received a promise from the Lakers. Maybe not with their first rounder, but definitely a target with our 2nd rounder that they own from the Douglas-Trade.



Regarding Tristan Thompson: People seem to be really all over the place on him. I heard Ford and Russillo a couple of times mentioning that he could go as high as Toronto at #5. Others have him even passing the Knicks and going round #20. Weird. I really really liked what I saw from him during March Madness.
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Post#11 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:49 pm

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j4remi wrote:Stone's name has come out of no where for me...I don't recall seeing him mentioned once before or hearing anything about his workout.


There was a rumour going around twitter (I read it on @draftexpress) some time ago, that Stone had received a promise from the Lakers. Maybe not with their first rounder, but definitely a target with our 2nd rounder that they own from the Douglas-Trade.

Regarding Tristan Thompson: People seem to be really all over the place on him. I heard Ford and Russillo a couple of times mentioning that he could go as high as Toronto at #5. Others have him even passing the Knicks and going round #20. Weird. I really really liked what I saw from him during March Madness.


Lakers don't have a 1st Round Pick. But they do have 4 2nd Round Picks. I think the Heat might take him with their 2nd Rounder if a guy like Tyler isn't around (or if Jenkins has already been picked).

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Post#12 » by captain subtext » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:52 pm

Oh, alright then. The biggest Heat Rumour seems to be Reggie Jackson at #31. And the guy seems to want to make sure that he doesn't go earlier, being "injured" for all the workouts.
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Post#13 » by TKF » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:06 pm

j4remi wrote:Mags your draft coverage has been impeccable this year. Before any discussion, I think you deserve a friggin appreciation thread for the work you've put in!

Stone's name has come out of no where for me...I don't recall seeing him mentioned once before or hearing anything about his workout. I have to read up on him now and see if I can watch clips of his play.

Marshon Brooks is this year's Steph Curry it seems.



I agree. Mags has been putting in work.. I do agree with moo in that stone needs work and would be good if we can snag a second round pick. he has size, but he lacks scoring skill and his handle may not be good enough to handle PG duties on the NBA level...
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Post#14 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:51 pm

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Post#15 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:03 pm

for a backup point Im happy with a 6-7 guy who can defend multiple positions and is willing to pass first. especially since this allows us to play TD out there who is alsio a strong defender but less of a passer and more of a scorer.

I feel like our ambitions need to be scaled back on this draft.

We should be looking at vet help for most of our immediate needs. a strong role player who can either create at the point, knock down open jumpers, bang inside for boards or block shots is what Im looking for at 17.

Not all of the above.
not a starter or a star to be.
a role player who can address a single issue and fill a hole {gross}
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Post#16 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:14 pm

We need youth at the PG and C spots simply because we need to have them be durable or at least active NLR.
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Post#17 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:22 pm

yes, I agree.

my point is that Im not looking to draft our starting point for the future of this franchise at 17 in this draft. Or center certainly.

Ill be happy with a 15min a night role play who brings energy, effort, IQ and a single talent like passing, defense, rebounding or shooting
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Post#18 » by rammagen » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:24 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:for a backup point Im happy with a 6-7 guy who can defend multiple positions and is willing to pass first. especially since this allows us to play TD out there who is alsio a strong defender but less of a passer and more of a scorer.

I feel like our ambitions need to be scaled back on this draft.

We should be looking at vet help for most of our immediate needs. a strong role player who can either create at the point, knock down open jumpers, bang inside for boards or block shots is what Im looking for at 17.

Not all of the above.
not a starter or a star to be.
a role player who can address a single issue and fill a hole {gross}

That i why I say if Bismark is there you take him he fills that need without work on that portion of his game. To me a big body is more pressing then a pg
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Post#19 » by BelieveTheDream » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:26 pm

this stone kid averaged 7/5/5 in college he reminds me of mardy collins I guess numbers wise but we should not waste a pick on him he could go undrafted
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Post#20 » by magnumt » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:43 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:yes, I agree.

my point is that Im not looking to draft our starting point for the future of this franchise at 17 in this draft. Or center certainly.

Ill be happy with a 15min a night role play who brings energy, effort, IQ and a single talent like passing, defense, rebounding or shooting


Keep in mind what I said prior though, in that if the guy is dynamic and wows, he could help make a Chris Paul offer easier. I think that's what the Knicks are also looking it (in addition to not wanting another Steph Curry/Russell Westbrook situation), and that they're looking for assets to build for a Paul offer too.

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