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basketboule wrote:what would you even want as compensation? as constructed this team is absolutely rolling (with its franchise player only about to play his first game of the season).

novak was, is and remains extremely useful.

cgmw wrote:

Rasho Brezec wrote:Queensbridge.

DaJuan Blair is the other obvious trade. Not saying I'd do it, but that seems about right in terms of trade value. Maybe we get a little more, maybe a little less. But ballpark, we'd be able to get back Artest and Blair type players.

Rasho Brezec wrote:Artest is a nutjob and we're a sane veteran team. Steve Novak was just signed to a new ccontract and is not going anywhere. Aneare is UNTRADEABLE.

cgmw wrote:

Rasho Brezec wrote:Artest is a nutjob and we're a sane veteran team. Steve Novak was just signed to a new ccontract and is not going anywhere. Aneare is UNTRADEABLE.

Fixed.

basketboule wrote:In every game there are like 4-5 plays after a timeout and also stretches where you need Novak on the floor. Even if you use him for 5 mpg only, he still is very valuable. Dude is going nowhere, especially not if you consider that there isn't even a need to be addressed.

Rasho Brezec wrote:Artest is a nutjob and we're a sane veteran team. Steve Novak was just signed to a new ccontract and is not going anywhere. Aneare is expendable.

Pharmcat wrote:close game at end, who ya rolling on the O end?

amare melo novak jr felton (or kidd in there somewhere)

have to keep a man on pretty much all of them, which would allow melo to do his thing

novak is needed, he has a very specialized role on this team

cgmw wrote:[
IMO he plays left bench.

He can't play at the same time as Amar'e because of defensive liability. The offense is moving further and further away from what he's good at (spacing the floor as a spot-up shooter), and will move even further away when Amar'e returns and we stop posting up Carmelo (because Amar'e can't pass out of the post).

IMO it would be very aggressive, but very wise to move Novak now while his value is still high. The longer we play him in a non-fastbreaking isolation-based offense, the further his value will plummet.

cgmw wrote:Premise 1:

For defensive reasons, you cannot play Novak at the same time as both Carmelo and Amar'e.

Premise 2:

The total number of minutes where either Carmelo or (healthy) Amar'e but not both are on the floor will not exceed 12-15.

Conclusion: If Amar'e returns healthy, Novak will receive fewer than 12-15 minutes per game.

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:

cgmw wrote:[
IMO he plays left bench.

He can't play at the same time as Amar'e because of defensive liability. The offense is moving further and further away from what he's good at (spacing the floor as a spot-up shooter), and will move even further away when Amar'e returns and we stop posting up Carmelo (because Amar'e can't pass out of the post).

IMO it would be very aggressive, but very wise to move Novak now while his value is still high. The longer we play him in a non-fastbreaking isolation-based offense, the further his value will plummet.

Why not just play him when Melo's on the floor and Amare's on the bench?

cgmw wrote:

basketboule wrote:In every game there are like 4-5 plays after a timeout and also stretches where you need Novak on the floor. Even if you use him for 5 mpg only, he still is very valuable. Dude is going nowhere, especially not if you consider that there isn't even a need to be addressed.

Agree completely. Nevertheless, I still expect his role to continue a steady decline. And the OP's question has to do with theoretical trade value, not actual trades. Theoretically, there is in fact a line where the Knicks would receive enough value in return to move Novak.