Trade options in 2014 with our expirings

SaveUsKP6 · Post #1 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:37 pm

Too long to copy and paste, but basically a list of guys that could be attainable in 2014 with the Bargs, Chandler or Amar'e deals. Not all of them really help our case for the summer of 2015, but I could see some of these scenarios going down while still having Melo AND cap space in 2015... just not a max contract.

http://angryknickblog.wordpress.com/201 ... r-of-2014/

Post #2 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:52 pm

I would be surprised if we are major players in the free agent market in 2015. I think we will try to package some of our expirings rather then wait around. If this team doesn’t get past the 2nd round again this year they are not going to wait.

But we probably have to include a first rounder or something else for anyone decent and the earliest we can trade one is 2018. This is one reason why trading future picks can come back to haunt us.

Either way its going to take a lot of luck to find a good fitting star to put next to Melo. We will most likely end up with Melo, a declining Chandler and another flawed big name player with a lot of question marks.

Post #3 » by **NoLayupRule** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:51 pm

Im not feeling the style that blog is written in

negative and snarky and holier than thou and arrogant

but some of the contracts are interesting if unlikely

Id love Horford or Love here, of course

SaveUsKP6 · Post #4 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:55 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:Im not feeling the style that blog is written in

negative and snarky and holier than thou and arrogant

but some of the contracts are interesting if unlikely

Id love Horford or Love here, of course

I think that's the point. If you follow the guy on Twitter, he's clearly just mocking other bloggers who do the same thing. It would be a nicer read if it was just the content and not the snark sometimes, agreed. But I found this one interesting. There are a lot of decent combos out there that would fit in well. Love, highly HIGHLY unlikely. But:

Melo/Horford/2015 FA would be mighty nice
Melo/Conley/2015 FA would be solid, depending on the FA
Melo/Mayo/2015 FA would be solid as well, but again depends on FA
Melo/Gordon/2015 FA has the potential to be deadly

What I think this guy doesn't take into account is that if we trade Chandler, we have NO center going forward after 2014.

IMAN5 · Post #5 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:57 pm

If Melo had a guy like Horford, oh man.

Post #6 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:07 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Im not feeling the style that blog is written in

negative and snarky and holier than thou and arrogant

but some of the contracts are interesting if unlikely

Id love Horford or Love here, of course

I think that's the point. If you follow the guy on Twitter, he's clearly just mocking other bloggers who do the same thing. It would be a nicer read if it was just the content and not the snark sometimes, agreed. But I found this one interesting. There are a lot of decent combos out there that would fit in well. Love, highly HIGHLY unlikely. But:

Melo/Horford/2015 FA would be mighty nice
Melo/Conley/2015 FA would be solid, depending on the FA
Melo/Mayo/2015 FA would be solid as well, but again depends on FA
Melo/Gordon/2015 FA has the potential to be deadly

What I think this guy doesn't take into account is that if we trade Chandler, we have NO center going forward after 2014.

I don't think its realistic to keep Melo, trade for one of those guys and still be a major player in 2015.

We're gonna have to choose one or the other between trading our expirings or waiting for free agency....unless players take major discounts.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #7 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:10 pm

I don't think we will be a MAJOR player in 2015, but we will at the very least have the MLE, potentially more depending on how the Melo contract shakes out and what we do with all the contract options.

Post #8 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:19 pm

true...if we play our cards right we should have something.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #9 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:21 pm

Very snarky, snobbish tone in the article. Makes Knicks fans look bad. Stopped reading when you said any REAL Knicks fan knows it was a dumb move to swap Lee for Amare. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend but, at the time there was nobody who would have taken Lee over Amare and if you did you probably were a troll.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #10 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:24 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Very snarky, snobbish tone in the article. Makes Knicks fans look bad. Stopped reading when you said any REAL Knicks fan knows it was a dumb move to swap Lee for Amare. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend but, at the time there was nobody who would have taken Lee over Amare and if you did you probably were a troll.

1. I didn't write this, it's from Twitter. I don't even agree with all of it.
2. You, as well, are totally missing the point of the blog. Follow him on Twitter or read the About page.

Post #11 » by **Thugger HBC** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:29 pm

Never mind the article, but think about what is being suggested......

Moving expiring contracts.

They arent as valuable in this CBA, nearly all of teams have already aligned their payrolls to have zero need for expirers.

The key now is to be between the salary floor and under the luxury tax and outside of the Nets and the Knicks every single team in the NBA have already accomplished this task.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #12 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:30 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Never mind the article, but think about what is being suggested......

Moving expiring contracts.

They arent as valuable in this CBA, nearly all of teams have already aligned their payrolls to have zero need for expirers.

The key now is to be between the salary floor and under the luxury tax and outside of the Nets and the Knicks every single team in the NBA have already accomplished this task.

I don't think that's totally true. You don't think a team would rather be $20 mil under the cap as opposed to $6 mil under the cap?

Rasho Brezec · Post #13 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:36 pm

We'll make our moves before the 2015 FA market. I could see them going after Horford or Gordon and then using what money is left to go after someone, but that's it.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #14 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:37 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:We'll make our moves before the 2015 FA market. I could see them going after Horford or Gordon and then using what money is left to go after someone, but that's it.

Let's get real, other than Rondo and Aldridge, there's no one else available in 2015 that could make the kind of impact Horford would (and potentially Gordon). Melo/Horford and a MLE-level guy on top of keeping Felton or JR would be a pretty solid overhaul.

Rasho Brezec · Post #15 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:40 pm

That's why we should flip Bargnani for Lee and wait for Durant in 2016. We still have enough expirings left to go after Horford.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #16 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:42 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Very snarky, snobbish tone in the article. Makes Knicks fans look bad. Stopped reading when you said any REAL Knicks fan knows it was a dumb move to swap Lee for Amare. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend but, at the time there was nobody who would have taken Lee over Amare and if you did you probably were a troll.

1. I didn't write this, it's from Twitter. I don't even agree with all of it.
2. You, as well, are totally missing the point of the blog. Follow him on Twitter or read the About page.

1. Okay didn't realize it wasn't you my bad.

2. Just commenting on the article written. I guess it provides the names but, anybody who says they would have taken 2010 Lee over Amare doesn't get a legitimate read from me...

Post #17 » by **Thugger HBC** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:42 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Never mind the article, but think about what is being suggested......

Moving expiring contracts.

They arent as valuable in this CBA, nearly all of teams have already aligned their payrolls to have zero need for expirers.

The key now is to be between the salary floor and under the luxury tax and outside of the Nets and the Knicks every single team in the NBA have already accomplished this task.

I don't think that's totally true. You don't think a team would rather be $20 mil under the cap as opposed to $6 mil under the cap?

You might really need to look at teams payrolls, no one is hurting for cap relief.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Post #18 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:48 pm

Managing cap and staying under the apron is so key too. We are really handicapped the next 2 seasons.

I hope we do a better job of managing our flexibility the next go around.

Rasho Brezec · Post #19 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:48 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
ShumpShump wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Never mind the article, but think about what is being suggested......

Moving expiring contracts.

They arent as valuable in this CBA, nearly all of teams have already aligned their payrolls to have zero need for expirers.

The key now is to be between the salary floor and under the luxury tax and outside of the Nets and the Knicks every single team in the NBA have already accomplished this task.

I don't think that's totally true. You don't think a team would rather be $20 mil under the cap as opposed to $6 mil under the cap?

You might really need to look at teams payrolls, no one is hurting for cap relief.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

You should be looking at 2014/15. The amount of tax paid is determined by team salary at the last game of the regular season. I see 14 teams being over the cap that year.

Post #20 » by **Thugger HBC** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:56 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
ShumpShump wrote:
I don't think that's totally true. You don't think a team would rather be $20 mil under the cap as opposed to $6 mil under the cap?

You might really need to look at teams payrolls, no one is hurting for cap relief.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

You should be looking at 2014/15. The amount of tax paid is determined by team salary at the last game of the regular season. I see 14 teams being over the cap that year.

You dont pay tax for being over the cap.

If i recall correctly only 6 teams paid tax this year...14 teams wont be doing it at that time.

If things stay the same only 2 will be paying....guess which two.