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OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:38 am
by Meloholic
Rick Carlisle thinks so...
I could name at least 15 players who were better. I have him at 18.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Lebron (although I hate him)
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10. Hakeem
11. Duncan
12. Jerry West
13. Kobe
14. Moses Malone
15. Pippen
16. Karl Malone
17. Garnett
18. Dirk
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:45 am
by RHODEY
Meloholic wrote:Rick Carlisle thinks so...
I could name at least 15 players who were better. I have him at 18.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Lebron (although I hate him)
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10. Hakeem
11. Duncan
12. Jerry West
13. Kobe
14. Moses Malone
15. Pippen
16. Karl Malone
17. Garnett
18. Dirk
I think you have Pippen too high. But I guess you are accounting for rings....Otherwise were is Benard King
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:48 am
by Meloholic
RHODEY wrote:Meloholic wrote:Rick Carlisle thinks so...
I could name at least 15 players who were better. I have him at 18.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Lebron (although I hate him)
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10. Hakeem
11. Duncan
12. Jerry West
13. Kobe
14. Moses Malone
15. Pippen
16. Karl Malone
17. Garnett
18. Dirk
I think you have Pippen too high. But I guess you are accounting for rings....Otherwise were is Benard King
Not really just counting rings otherwise Derrick Fisher and Robert Horry would make the list. Pippen was an incredible defensive player and scorer. He pretty much could do it all. I think I would take Isiah and Wade over Dirk as well. Not sure if King was that good of a defender to be there in the top 20
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:50 am
by Never Wrong
where's doc?
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:50 am
by NBA Fan 1234
I think he's just outside top 15. I mean very barely outside. On same tier as Malone and KG - maybe slightly above. Also, LeBron isn't 7...not anymore, at least.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:51 am
by ITGM
Is Dirk top 12 of all time?? Rick Carlisle thinks so...
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:51 am
by br7knicks
PF i think he's top 10, possibly top 5. who's ahead of him? duncan and malone come to mind.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:53 am
by Never Wrong
br7knicks wrote:PF i think he's top 10, possibly top 5. who's ahead of him? duncan and malone come to mind.
chuck
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:55 am
by Meloholic
Knickstape1214 wrote:I think he's just outside top 15. I mean very barely outside. On same tier as Malone and KG - maybe slightly above. Also, LeBron isn't 7...not anymore, at least.
Is Lebron higher or lower than 7?
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:57 am
by br7knicks
Never Wrong wrote:br7knicks wrote:PF i think he's top 10, possibly top 5. who's ahead of him? duncan and malone come to mind.
chuck
yeah, i know there's more. just can't think any off the top of my head
point was really more for the PF position than overall.
and i'm a dirk fan.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:58 am
by NBA Fan 1234
Meloholic wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:I think he's just outside top 15. I mean very barely outside. On same tier as Malone and KG - maybe slightly above. Also, LeBron isn't 7...not anymore, at least.
Is Lebron higher or lower than 7?
I'd say top 5.
As for putting Chuck above Dirk - why? I'm too young to remember much/anything about Chuck, but from what I have read / watched, he was a great offensive player and rebounder, but not a particularly good defender.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:58 am
by Meloholic
br7knicks wrote:Never Wrong wrote:br7knicks wrote:PF i think he's top 10, possibly top 5. who's ahead of him? duncan and malone come to mind.
chuck
yeah, i know there's more. just can't think any off the top of my head
point was really more for the PF position than overall.
and i'm a dirk fan.
Maybe he meant top 12 PF of all time? I doubt it
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:59 am
by Meloholic
Knickstape1214 wrote:Meloholic wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:I think he's just outside top 15. I mean very barely outside. On same tier as Malone and KG - maybe slightly above. Also, LeBron isn't 7...not anymore, at least.
Is Lebron higher or lower than 7?
I'd say top 5.
As for putting Chuck above Dirk - why? I'm too young to remember much/anything about Chuck, but from what I have read / watched, he was a great offensive player and rebounder, but not a particularly good defender.
Barkley was a mediocre defender but so is Dirk. Also Dirk is a below avg rebounder for his size
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:59 am
by RHODEY
Meloholic wrote:RHODEY wrote:Meloholic wrote:Rick Carlisle thinks so...
I could name at least 15 players who were better. I have him at 18.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Lebron (although I hate him)
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10. Hakeem
11. Duncan
12. Jerry West
13. Kobe
14. Moses Malone
15. Pippen
16. Karl Malone
17. Garnett
18. Dirk
I think you have Pippen too high. But I guess you are accounting for rings....Otherwise were is Benard King
Not sure if King was that good of a defender to be there in the top 20
Yeah but his scoring is in the top 2 .
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:01 am
by Meloholic
RHODEY wrote:Meloholic wrote:RHODEY wrote:
I think you have Pippen too high. But I guess you are accounting for rings....Otherwise were is Benard King
Not sure if King was that good of a defender to be there in the top 20
Yeah but his scoring is in the top 2 .
When you say scorer look who he is going up against...
Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant (4 time champion), Kobe, etc.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:02 am
by NBA Fan 1234
Meloholic wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:Meloholic wrote:Is Lebron higher or lower than 7?
I'd say top 5.
As for putting Chuck above Dirk - why? I'm too young to remember much/anything about Chuck, but from what I have read / watched, he was a great offensive player and rebounder, but not a particularly good defender.
Barkley was a mediocre defender but so is Dirk. Also Dirk is a below avg rebounder for his size
Dirk isn't a mediocre defender. Watch his team defense. It's pretty damn good. His rebounding is poor because he's usually on the perimeter. If I remember correctly, his defensive rebounding % is good; it's his offensive % that kills it.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:06 am
by Johnny Kilroy
He'd be top 10 with another ring. One thing is for sure though...he changed the game more than anyone from his generation. If u said "stretch 4" in 1998 no one in the world would know what u were talking about. Today, if you're not a stretch 4, you're pretty much not playing.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:11 am
by RHODEY
Meloholic wrote:RHODEY wrote:Meloholic wrote:
Not sure if King was that good of a defender to be there in the top 20
Yeah but his scoring is in the top 2 .
When you say scorer look who he is going up against...
Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant (4 time champion), Kobe, etc.
His Career was curtailed due to injury but no one listed above out side of Jordan (and Wilt under different rules) averaged 33pts for a season @ %53 shooting clip. Durant comes close in this era , when you cant even sneeze on a player. I put Bernard over Pippen who was indeed a great two way player.
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:24 am
by kane
maybe he meant hes the 12th best white player of all time?
Re: OT: Is Dirk top 12 of all time??
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:34 am
by NBA Fan 1234
RHODEY wrote:Meloholic wrote:RHODEY wrote:Yeah but his scoring is in the top 2 .
When you say scorer look who he is going up against...
Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Durant (4 time champion), Kobe, etc.
His Career was curtailed due to injury but no one listed above out side of Jordan (and Wilt under different rules) averaged 33pts for a season @ %53 shooting clip. Durant comes close in this era , when you cant even sneeze on a player. I put Bernard over Pippen who was indeed a great two way player.
The 53% year was only 55 games. I'm more impressed by what he did the year before, to be honest. 26 PPG on 57% shooting? WTF?
But damn, he only scored. Rebounding? Assist numbers were nothing great. Steals / blocks were meh. He also turned the ball over a bunch.
I never saw BK play besides on NBATV Hardwood Classics games, but I think LeBron (present day version) and KD are more well rounded in terms of scoring.