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Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:22 am
by islanders11040
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/defense/#!/lt6/So I think we have all noticed how sick Porzingis's defense has been lately. But do we know
how well? Hes been shooting up defensive lists over the last few weeks. The #'s back it up. He has defended the 9th most shots inside of 6 feet in the NBA (6.5 fga) and has a -11% fg differential on these shots. Hes pretty much playing Rudy Gobert level defense (a players defense people were going gaga over). Only Andrew Bogut has a better fg differential, though on a less shots (4.3 fga, 47th most fga inside 6 ft). His defense within 10 feet is almost just as good. 3 pt defense, which was a weakness at the begining, is now also slightly above average (-1.7 diff, was + when i checked a few weeks ago). His BBall IQ and ability to focus on weaknesses is awesome. Let us take a moment to appreciate that we have someone who has defensive player of the year potential in the future.
If he gets consistent on offense.....
Oh ya, hes doing all this while playing PF while most of the people on this list are playing C.
So that means hes probably flying in for help defense at a very high rate to get the # of FGA defended within 6 ft that high.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:54 am
by Starks
I refuse to believe this is happening to us. We're the New York Knicks, we're not supposed to get this kind of player. I know one day I'll wake up and find out his name is really Kris Porzington and he's an undersized scoring guard with no defense who takes 8 threes a game and is planning on creating a record label when he's done with basketball. I just know it.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:13 pm
by KushComa
Simply amazing. The great thing about KP is that even when he isnt shooting well he is still has a positive impact on the court. Always defending, blocking shots, rebounding, and hustling. When he puts it all together he is will be franchise player.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:22 pm
by AllanH20
It's kind of ridiculous how good he is on the defensive end. His future is definitely at the 5 but now it would take too much out of him so maybe starting next year.
The thing that's really impressive about KP is that unlike the other great defensive centers like Gobert, he's pretty good on the perimeter as well (
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1416625)
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:55 pm
by ladron628
Can someone put up a side-by-side statistical comparison with Towns' defense? I've seen a fair number of games from both players, and from the eye test, KP looks like a better defender. But I could be wrong. Clearly, at this point, Towns is the better offensive player, but it would be interesting to see what the other side of the game is like for the two rookies. Either way, I'm getting excited about the future--two stud big men, the same age from the same draft class battling it out (and possibly teaming up in the future) for years.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:35 pm
by Knicks Byke
not if but WHEN he becomes consistent on offense
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:42 pm
by AmazingJason
Knicks defense as a whole is pretty damn good. The one leak is Jose, which hopefully can be fixed with Lawson.
But we can't grab a f*cking rebound. KP is usually the only one trying. Jose is too slow, Arron is too fat, Melo spent all his energy playing D & O, and RoLo is too busy covering for Jose and fumbling the ball to the opponent with his garbage hands.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:54 pm
by StephNYKurry
I said this after we drafted him as a best case scenario.
Dirk on offense and Gobert on defense.
Like...what?????
That's cheating.
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Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:36 pm
by NoLayupRule
Starks wrote:I refuse to believe this is happening to us. We're the New York Knicks, we're not supposed to get this kind of player. I know one day I'll wake up and find out his name is really Kris Porzington and he's an undersized scoring guard with no defense who takes 8 threes a game and is planning on creating a record label when he's done with basketball. I just know it.
Haha
Nice
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:36 pm
by riter
islanders11040 wrote:If he gets consistent on offense.....
Unlike most people, I want him moved to Center now. I want him in the high post more. then you will see his offense blossom---
I don't want him to become Dirk or Kevin Garnet---b/c now I believe he can be more dominant than those two. I want to see him become a healthy Ewing.
...yeah, I said it.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:44 pm
by NoLayupRule
ladron628 wrote:Can someone put up a side-by-side statistical comparison with Towns' defense? I've seen a fair number of games from both players, and from the eye test, KP looks like a better defender. But I could be wrong. Clearly, at this point, Towns is the better offensive player, but it would be interesting to see what the other side of the game is like for the two rookies. Either way, I'm getting excited about the future--two stud big men, the same age from the same draft class battling it out (and possibly teaming up in the future) for years.
I'm not in agreement with that assessment actually
Defensively is say they are darn close with KP edging because his blocking is much superior.
His blocks don't do the American thing of flying into the 5th row either. They stay in play which is an intangible but heroic quality as well
On offense I think towns is ahead only in terms of confidence and understanding his role. He came into the league as the man from the best team in college. He's not out there trying to fit in. He's not afraid to shoot a high volume. He's under the impression that he's the star.
KP on the other hand is himself only just starting to realize his skill level and his confidence and willingness to demand the ball is secondary. He defers to almost everyone on the team. When this stops he will pass towns offensively. On part because he's a natural scorer and in part because he's able to score more ways.
However a direct comparison between KP and towns is gonna be more or less equal becaus both guys are so exceptional on both ends.
KP being in the same conversation as towns or even okafor at this point is in itself a tremendous achievement
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:49 pm
by KingKyrie1
He can only fall by injuries..
It's kinda scary, the way he runs isn't optimal, his posture and everything needs to be in check and monitored, otherwise there is no reason why he can't be the best big in the game for a long time.
Just gotta be healthy, don't try to add mass too fast(JV) and be really cautious.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:07 pm
by Intza
NoLayupRule wrote:ladron628 wrote:Can someone put up a side-by-side statistical comparison with Towns' defense? I've seen a fair number of games from both players, and from the eye test, KP looks like a better defender. But I could be wrong. Clearly, at this point, Towns is the better offensive player, but it would be interesting to see what the other side of the game is like for the two rookies. Either way, I'm getting excited about the future--two stud big men, the same age from the same draft class battling it out (and possibly teaming up in the future) for years.
I'm not in agreement with that assessment actually
Defensively is say they are darn close with KP edging because his blocking is much superior.
His blocks don't do the American thing of flying into the 5th row either. They stay in play which is an intangible but heroic quality as well
On offense I think towns is ahead only in terms of confidence and understanding his role. He came into the league as the man from the best team in college. He's not out there trying to fit in. He's not afraid to shoot a high volume. He's under the impression that he's the star.
KP on the other hand is himself only just starting to realize his skill level and his confidence and willingness to demand the ball is secondary. He defers to almost everyone on the team. When this stops he will pass towns offensively. On part because he's a natural scorer and in part because he's able to score more ways.
However a direct comparison between KP and towns is gonna be more or less equal becaus both guys are so exceptional on both ends.
KP being in the same conversation as towns or even okafor at this point is in itself a tremendous achievement
I disagree. Towns is a historically good scorer for a 20yo rookey. His shot chart looks like dirk, he is shooting above league average from all over the court.
Porzingis on the other hand is not phisically developed yet, wich prevents him from being efficient around the basket when he is contested. He is primarily a jump shooter at this point, and like most 20 year olds he is streaky. I think he is going to be as good as towns offensively, but not this year. The most scouraging sign has been his passing for me. He is only shown flashes so far, but I think he is going to be good enough to run a big chunk of the offense through him on the mid post, much like love, griffin or dirk.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:49 pm
by levendis
Really is amazing how good he is defensively considering what we were hearing about him pre-draft. Look at this from Draft express...
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:26 pm
by islanders11040
ladron628 wrote:Can someone put up a side-by-side statistical comparison with Towns' defense? I've seen a fair number of games from both players, and from the eye test, KP looks like a better defender. But I could be wrong. Clearly, at this point, Towns is the better offensive player, but it would be interesting to see what the other side of the game is like for the two rookies. Either way, I'm getting excited about the future--two stud big men, the same age from the same draft class battling it out (and possibly teaming up in the future) for years.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:34 pm
by Greenie
AmazingJason wrote:Knicks defense as a whole is pretty damn good. The one leak is Jose, which hopefully can be fixed with Lawson.
But we can't grab a f*cking rebound. KP is usually the only one trying. Jose is too slow, Arron is too fat, Melo spent all his energy playing D & O, and RoLo is too busy covering for Jose and fumbling the ball to the opponent with his garbage hands.
The fuq is wrong with your weed?
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:42 pm
by K_ick_God
levendis wrote:Really is amazing how good he is defensively considering what we were hearing about him pre-draft. Look at this from Draft express...
He also has an outstanding feel for the game, and his role in the NBA is (especially today's game I guess) crystal clear.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:56 pm
by kane
wheres team hoodwinked at now?
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:16 pm
by ToastinKP
Glad to see him keep up the good work defensively. IMO the grind of the NBA is taking a toll on his offense but he is still contributing to the team which shows us he is not lazy or above playing D.
Re: Porzingis's Defense Climbs towards the Top of the NBA
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:49 pm
by Meat
kane wrote:wheres team hoodwinked at now?
in their defense no one could have predicted this,
