Phil won't admit this: He needs a modern PG

JXL · Post #1 » by **JXL** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:18 pm

It's obvious what's wrong with this team, and Phil can see this even after that mistake of a trade. This team needs a modern PG, and it's not on this team. Grant can be, but he needs time to figure his game out. Galloway's more of a combo guard, and we all like him, but he's serviceable off the bench.

This swath of terrible PG play cannot continue, and Phil knows this, and he also knows that he probably can't make a trade to upgrade that position because it's very hard to find that modern PG without giving up a pick or an above average player, or both. We have to wonder if this is what it is for them, or is there a PG out there to get without giving up a pick or a core player, so we can move on from Calderon and get a better player at this position?

F N 11 · Post #2 » by **F N 11** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:22 pm

Athleticism and some size as well. Its insane what a real PG can do for this team. We see glimpses of it when Gallo pushes on the break and drives in the half court. We'll just have to wait.

Dantares · Post #3 » by **Dantares** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:26 pm

I disagree. i think if we add a wing player that can post-up, shoot out of the triple threat and drive like MJ, Pippen, Kobe we will be good without a modern PG. lol we won't get anyone of that caliber but guys that are similar are tyreke evans, derozan, Jimmy Butler.

god shammgod · Post #4 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:29 pm

Dantares wrote:I disagree. i think if we add a wing player that can post-up, shoot out of the triple threat and drive like MJ, Pippen, Kobe we will be good without a modern PG. lol we won't get anyone of that caliber but guys that are similar are tyreke evans, derozan, Jimmy Butler.

we can't get 2 of those guys either....3rd one broke his foot

JXL · Post #5 » by **JXL** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:32 pm

Dantares wrote:I disagree. i think if we add a wing player that can post-up, shoot out of the triple threat and drive like MJ, Pippen, Kobe we will be good without a modern PG. lol we won't get anyone of that caliber but guys that are similar are tyreke evans, derozan, Jimmy Butler.

You can get away with that with Afflalo. If you don't have a guard that can penetrate a defense to open the floor, it makes defending the perimeter easier. In a halfcourt offense, its paramount to have that kind of guard.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #6 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:33 pm

MCW would be a great buy low candidate for us. He can at least defend at a passable level and we have enough decent shooters to cover for his lack of shooting and give him outlets to pass to on his drives to the hoop.

Floozenheimen · Post #7 » by **Floozenheimen** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:33 pm

Well Phil has said and can be quoted on it, that penetration is an integral part to offense. Why we don't have anyone that can fulfill such an important part of his philosophy who the hell knows. Maybe he expected more slashing for Calderon and Melo. Neither have panned out. Either way, he's aware.

My hypothesis is that Phil was trying to keep Jose's trade value as high as possible. Keeping him as a starter, earning meaningless offensive stats might be enough to fool another front office. If he were to be benched or cut/stretched that would give us zero return. I would be shocked that Calderon starts, if he's still here, after the trade deadline. I would also expect that we call up some more penetrating guards to experiment if we don't improve our record to be in contention for a playoff bid.

Dantares · Post #8 » by **Dantares** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Dantares wrote:I disagree. i think if we add a wing player that can post-up, shoot out of the triple threat and drive like MJ, Pippen, Kobe we will be good without a modern PG. lol we won't get anyone of that caliber but guys that are similar are tyreke evans, derozan, Jimmy Butler.

we can't get 2 of those guys either....3rd one broke his foot

I said this in the other thread. I would totally trade calderon for Tyreke evans straight up now. Calderon stinks so this would be a low risk, high reward move for next year because they both have 1 year left on their deal.

Another thing about tyreke is he has good handles unlike Afflalo.

FreeSpiritNY · Post #9 » by **FreeSpiritNY** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:35 pm

Honestly phil has no idea what he is doing.. Wow he drafted porzingis... oh wait that was his scout.

JXL · Post #10 » by **JXL** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:36 pm

Floozenheimen wrote:Well Phil has said and can be quoted on it, that penetration is an integral part to offense. Why we don't have anyone that can fulfill such an important part of his philosophy who the hell knows. Maybe he expected more slashing for Calderon and Melo. Neither have panned out. Either way, he's aware.

My hypothesis is that Phil was trying to keep Jose's trade value as high as possible. Keeping him as a starter, earning meaningless offensive stats might be enough to fool another front office. If he were to be benched or cut/stretched that would give us zero return. I would be shocked that Calderon starts, if he's still here, after the trade deadline. I would also expect that we call up some more penetrating guards to experiment if we don't improve our record to be in contention for a playoff bid.

Jose has no trade value, not on that contract. If his contract was less than $3 million, then you can get something back. Also, Melo's no longer at that stage of his career to be a slasher.

JXL · Post #11 » by **JXL** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:37 pm

Dantares wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Dantares wrote:I disagree. i think if we add a wing player that can post-up, shoot out of the triple threat and drive like MJ, Pippen, Kobe we will be good without a modern PG. lol we won't get anyone of that caliber but guys that are similar are tyreke evans, derozan, Jimmy Butler.

we can't get 2 of those guys either....3rd one broke his foot

I said this in the other thread. I would totally trade calderon for Tyreke evans straight up now. Calderon stinks so this would be a low risk, high reward move for next year because they both have 1 year left on their deal.

Another thing about tyreke is he has good handles unlike Afflalo.

I guess that's out the window now since he's out for the season.

Red Vines · Post #12 » by **Red Vines** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:37 pm

Floozenheimen wrote:Well Phil has said and can be quoted on it, that penetration is an integral part to offense. Why we don't have anyone that can fulfill such an important part of his philosophy who the hell knows. Maybe he expected more slashing for Calderon and Melo. Neither have panned out. Either way, he's aware.

My hypothesis is that Phil was trying to keep Jose's trade value as high as possible. Keeping him as a starter, earning meaningless offensive stats might be enough to fool another front office. If he were to be benched or cut/stretched that would give us zero return. I would be shocked that Calderon starts, if he's still here, after the trade deadline. I would also expect that we call up some more penetrating guards to experiment if we don't improve our record to be in contention for a playoff bid.

Exactly my thoughts. It's a mystery why Phil didn't add one more veteran PG in the offseason though because Jose's failure was apparent last year.

Dantares · Post #13 » by **Dantares** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:39 pm

JXL wrote:
Dantares wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
we can't get 2 of those guys either....3rd one broke his foot

I said this in the other thread. I would totally trade calderon for Tyreke evans straight up now. Calderon stinks so this would be a low risk, high reward move for next year because they both have 1 year left on their deal.

Another thing about tyreke is he has good handles unlike Afflalo.

I guess that's out the window now since he's out for the season.

I know he is. I'm talking about making a move in the summer. lol I might even do it now to let Grant and Galloway develope further.

anotherhomer · Post #14 » by **anotherhomer** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:42 pm

JoeypopsNY wrote:Honestly phil has no idea what he is doing.. Wow he drafted porzingis... oh wait that was his scout.

ya, phil made some questionable choices like there were other better PGs than jerian Grant, but you know what, he's better then other GMs that helm new york knicks

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #15 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:47 pm

Modern PG? I'll settle for a starting PG.

JXL · Post #16 » by **JXL** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:53 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:Modern PG? I'll settle for a starting PG.

Modern PG would be our starting PG. You wouldn't want Jrue Holiday?

Sark · Post #17 » by **Sark** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:54 pm

We need a lot of things. Modern PG is just one small piece. The best thing we could do is cash in everyone except for Porzingis, and start a true rebuild.

Post #18 » by **GONYK** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:57 pm

If Phil truly believed that, why did he target Reggie Jackson?

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Riot Randolph · Post #19 » by **Riot Randolph** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:00 pm

JoeypopsNY wrote:Honestly phil has no idea what he is doing.. Wow he drafted porzingis... oh wait that was his scout.

The basketball God has spoken...what other pearls of wisdom can you bestow upon us ...

Dantares · Post #20 » by **Dantares** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:00 pm

JXL wrote:
JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:Modern PG? I'll settle for a starting PG.

Modern PG would be our starting PG. You wouldn't want Jrue Holiday?

what i noticed about the triangle is that they never run the offense through the PG in that pinch post area. The best players are the ones that can face up and score or post-up. kobe, Gasol, Mj, Pippen, Melo, Shaq. They had Gary Payton who was one of the best post-up guards in the league and they never utilized him.