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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#141 » by Isiahthomass » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:51 pm

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What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.





Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.



No the theme of the post is about I don't fall for fake Narratives. Islam is not Americas biggest problem or enemy. America is Americas biggest Problem, and biggest enemy.


Mass shootings by whites is one Narrative of many with the same underlying theme.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#142 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:58 pm

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Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.



No the theme of the post is about I don't fall for fake Narratives. Islam is not Americas biggest problem or enemy. America is Americas biggest Problem, and biggest enemy.


Mass shootings by whites is one Narrative of many with the same underlying theme.



or the truth is the truth. You don't need a narrative for the truth. Just tell it as is. Until Isis actually attacks American soil, it will be nothing but hot air. People can set off explosions at the Boston marathon, but Americas biggest so called threat has not done it yet.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#143 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:03 pm

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"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"



Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.


Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here' what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]

Lip service means nothing. Bernie also voted to keep police militarized just a few years later, later voted to increase gun sentencing, and had a whole section of his website dedicated to how hard he was on crime. I don't really care that he acknowledged the bill would do a ton of damage to society if he still supported it. I could say how bad killing people is as I'm squeezing triggers but that doesn't begin to excuse my actions. I'd prefer if he just came out and said he didn't think the bill was bad at the time (as Hillary and Bill have) instead of actually defending his support of a bad bill.


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#144 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:11 pm

Hecklers or people against the candidate at Presidential rallies have been happening for decades, yet all of a sudden its cool to attack black people at trump rallies. So when a Black Man get Snuffed by a white guy...of course this was his response.



“The man got carried away,” Trump said on NBC’s “Meet The Press” Sunday. “He obviously loves his country, and maybe he doesn’t like seeing what’s happening to the country.”



what is he really trying to say here..... How many white guys is he sucker punching??? :noway:
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#145 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:18 pm

This is the America that loves Trump. This is why Chicago got shutdown. You think black people are going to keep going for this treatment just because of skin color?



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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#146 » by DeanTheDream » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:21 pm

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What are you trying to say?

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Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?




What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.


CNN)Here is a list of the 30 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 to the present.

If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident that death is not included in the total.

Events:
32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
Mass shootings up; murder rate down

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21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.



Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#147 » by E-Balla » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:35 pm

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Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here' what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]

Lip service means nothing. Bernie also voted to keep police militarized just a few years later, later voted to increase gun sentencing, and had a whole section of his website dedicated to how hard he was on crime. I don't really care that he acknowledged the bill would do a ton of damage to society if he still supported it. I could say how bad killing people is as I'm squeezing triggers but that doesn't begin to excuse my actions. I'd prefer if he just came out and said he didn't think the bill was bad at the time (as Hillary and Bill have) instead of actually defending his support of a bad bill.


Give me some sauce so I can see exactly what you're referring to so I can attempt to intelligently respond.

I don't have a single source for this stuff man it's something I know. I mean I guess you could look up the local government law enforcement block grants act and the omnibus crime bill and his name to see if you can find his vote on it.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#148 » by LJ4pointplay » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:42 pm

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IllmaticHandler wrote:**** Trump

He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.


Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.


Socialism is the answer and has been the answer numerous times in our past. It is the system upon which our country became great from the direction of FDR. It was the answer to the ruin that capitalism left our country in after the 20s and has been the main engine behind why our country was great from the 40s through the 70s, then Reagan started in motion the destruction of the middle class, by stealing our money and giving it to the mega wealthy.

Fun factoid - In 1945 the highest tax bracket was 94%, yes that is not a typo. This meant that after $25,000 yearly income (approximately $350,000 in today's money), you earned 6 cents on the dollar. It was over 70% up until Reagan came into office, which has now been reduced to 39%. Corporate Taxes are even worse now than ever before. The average corporation pays a real percentage of under 17% today, whereas in the the pre-Reagan era it was significantly higher. I forget the exact figure, but it's an appalling number.

The increasing gap in wealth in our country is directly related to this phenomena. If you look up a simple chart of the Wages of regular workers to CEOs or the ownership of wealth in America, at this point in time (early 1980s) there is a drastic shift in the control of said wealth. Right now the top two wealthiest families in America have more money that the bottom 40% of Americans. The pipe dream that this is the "American Way" is simply brain washed advertising by the elite whose only objective is to maintain and extend their wealth and power over the rest of us.

Another fun factoid - Average working wages have gone up 1% real money since 1981. CEO wages have gone up over 400% since 1981.


Our country has been systematically overrun in the past 35 years by the mega wealthy who have all but undone The New Deal. The trickle-down economic theory is a failed experiment. It has never worked once in any society in the history of mankind. The demonetization of the government is another byproduct of big business to promote their agenda. The entire system is rigged, both political parties are on board, as politicians are mere puppets for people like the Koch brothers. Fortunately, I believe enough of us are waking up to the reality of our situation and we're starting the good fight our great grandparents once fought. Hopefully history will repeat itself and we take back what's ours and reestablish Keynesian economics, which had once propelled this great country to extraordinary heights.


I think some context is needed here. Just some things to keep in mind:on the spectrum from socialism to laissez-faire, the United States remains somewhere in the middle and arguably much closer to the socialism side of things. While it is true that we have moved away from socialism since the periods that you mention, we have not done so to the degree that you claim and if you widen the lens of American history to include its entirety then you would have to conclude that while the transition has not been linear we have been moving in a socialist direction.

Specifically, you should consider:
-the top rate you mention for individuals is not the "real rate" (a somewhat ambiguous term) that you apply to current corporations
-our corporate tax rate is the top in the world
-corporations are subject to double taxation. They are taxed at the corporate level and then the shareholders are taxed again when they receive their income.
-our current system is largely based on Keynesian economics, and Keynesian theory does not support your views at all. A Keynesian economist would have major issues with your views.
-you seem to not consider factors behind economic expansion and retraction aside from taxation.
-If the pie grows, and everyone's slices grow, should we take issue with the fact that certain people's slices might grow at a faster rate than others? Would you prefer the pie stay the same size and everyone be given equal sizes? I don't mean to suggest that those are the only options, but questions worth considering.

You might want to consider actually reading some Keynesian economic theory as well as some Austrian stuff (with an open mind). Milton Friedman' works would be a good start.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#149 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:57 pm

Hail Trump!

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Post#151 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:10 pm


Make America White Again?

Donald Trump’s language is eerily similar to the 1920s Ku Klux Klan—hypernationalistic and anti-immigrant.


Last weekend, Saturday Night Live produced a mock “Voters for Trump” ad, in which everyday “real Americans” gently describe why they support Donald Trump for president—before they are all revealed to be white supremacists, Klan members, and Nazis. Trump, of course, not only received former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke’s support for his candidacy, but also declined to disavow the Ku Klux Klan on CNN.

This has happened before. As The Atlantic’s Yoni Appelbaum pointed out, the Republican front-runner’s refusal to repudiate white supremacists’ support as well as the bombast in his campaign are both echoes of the Ku Klux Klan. As a historian of the 1920s Klan, I noticed the resonances, too. Trump’s “Make America great again” language is just like the rhetoric of the Klan, with their emphasis on virulent patriotism and restrictive immigration. But maybe Trump doesn’t know much about the second incarnation of the order and what Klansmen and Klanswomen stood for. Maybe the echoes are coincidence, not strategy to win the support of white supremacists. Maybe Trump just needs a quick historical primer on the 1920s Klan—and their vision for making America great again.


In 1915, William J. Simmons, an ex-minister and self-described joiner of fraternities, created a new Ku Klux Klan dedicated to “100 percent Americanism” and white Protestantism. He wanted to evoke the previous Reconstruction Klan (1866-1871) but refashion it as a new order—stripped of vigilantism and dressed in Christian virtue and patriotic pride. Simmons’s Klan was to be the savior of a nation in peril, a means to reestablish the cultural dominance of white people. Immigration and the enfranchisement of African Americans, according to the Klan, eroded this dominance and meant that America was no longer great. Simmons, the first imperial wizard of the Klan, and his successor, H.W. Evans, wanted Klansmen to return the nation to its former glory. Their messages of white supremacy, Protestant Christianity, and hypernationalism found an eager audience. By 1924, the Klan claimed 4 million members; they wore robes, lit crosses on fire, read Klan newspapers, and participated in political campaigns on the local and national levels.

To save the nation, the Klan focused on accomplishing a series of goals. A 1924 Klan cartoon, “Under the Fiery Cross,” illustrated those goals: restricted immigration, militant Protestantism, better government, clean politics, “back to the Constitution,” law enforcement, and “greater allegiance to the flag.” Along with the emphases on government and nationalism, the order also mobilized under the banners of vulnerable white womanhood and white superiority more generally. Nativism, writes historian Matthew Frye Jacobson in Whiteness of a Different Color, is a crisis about the boundaries of whiteness and who exactly can be considered white. It is a reaction to a shift in demographics, which confuses the dominant group’s understanding of race. For the KKK, Americans were supposed to be only white and Protestant. They championed white supremacy to keep the nation white, ignoring that citizenry was not constrained to their whims.


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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#152 » by SARGO127 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:39 pm

All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.
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Post#153 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:45 pm

SARGO127 wrote:All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.



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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#154 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:04 pm

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SARGO127 wrote:All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.



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That picture is really funny and somewhat sad. I do think that if we have a policy on immigration, it needs to be enforced. During prohibition their were illegal speakeasy's and NASCAR was born. Everyone was involved in defying the law, so the law needed to be changed. Very similar to how currently marijuana is criminal despite being viewed popularly as an acceptable thing people do when they are young. Law is simple, either it's a law for a reason and is enforced OR it is a crappy law in need of change.

In regards to immigration: identify the problems of immigration, identify the bridge, and help facilitate appropriate expansion.

We do have a problem with an increased presence of Hispanic gangs in the tri-state area. This DOES need to be addressed. Trump is a wingding for sure, but we cannot be so lackadaisical with immigration and play David Lee-fence on our borders(this is a basketball forum afterall :wink: ).
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#155 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:05 pm

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What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.



Why can't all of these areas: mass murderers, gangs, terrorism, etc all be viewed as credible threats. We cannot focus on ONE area, we have to keep projects going to resolve each of these sorts of incidents.

To say ISIS is a threat is not to say that the individuals you quoted from CNN are not.

Us labeling Muslims as terrorists is the same as Muslim nations (nations wherein Islam is predominant religion) calling Republican's terrorists since they are over here talking about carpet bombing and such.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#156 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:18 pm

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What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.



Why can't all of these areas: mass murderers, gangs, terrorism, etc all be viewed as credible threats. We cannot focus on ONE area, we have to keep projects going to resolve each of these sorts of incidents.

To say ISIS is a threat is not to say that the individuals you quoted from CNN are not.

Us labeling Muslims as terrorists is the same as Muslim nations (nations wherein Islam is predominant religion) calling Republican's terrorists since they are over here talking about carpet bombing and such.



It really should not matter what Muslim nations call Americans. ALL Nations of the world talk bad about other countries. The Problem is that America feels they are the only ones justified to speak ill of other countries. America plays the victim role to much. America sticks its nose in every bodies business. America is the country that feels its supposed to control everything. It dont work that way.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#157 » by Fury » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:23 pm

SARGO127 wrote:All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.


The reason it's not a joke is because he singled out Mexicans. There are many illegals here from other countries, but he singled out Mexicans, and if we're going to live in a country where we stereotype all Hispanics as being Mexicans, then it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass. I truly think that no matter how far he goes into this race, he lost the race when he dissed Mexicans because there's no way he can win without the Hispanic vote.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#158 » by Floozenheimen » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:28 pm

LJ4pointplay wrote:
Floozenheimen wrote:
Bill Pidto wrote:
Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.


Socialism is the answer and has been the answer numerous times in our past. It is the system upon which our country became great from the direction of FDR. It was the answer to the ruin that capitalism left our country in after the 20s and has been the main engine behind why our country was great from the 40s through the 70s, then Reagan started in motion the destruction of the middle class, by stealing our money and giving it to the mega wealthy.

Fun factoid - In 1945 the highest tax bracket was 94%, yes that is not a typo. This meant that after $25,000 yearly income (approximately $350,000 in today's money), you earned 6 cents on the dollar. It was over 70% up until Reagan came into office, which has now been reduced to 39%. Corporate Taxes are even worse now than ever before. The average corporation pays a real percentage of under 17% today, whereas in the the pre-Reagan era it was significantly higher. I forget the exact figure, but it's an appalling number.

The increasing gap in wealth in our country is directly related to this phenomena. If you look up a simple chart of the Wages of regular workers to CEOs or the ownership of wealth in America, at this point in time (early 1980s) there is a drastic shift in the control of said wealth. Right now the top two wealthiest families in America have more money that the bottom 40% of Americans. The pipe dream that this is the "American Way" is simply brain washed advertising by the elite whose only objective is to maintain and extend their wealth and power over the rest of us.

Another fun factoid - Average working wages have gone up 1% real money since 1981. CEO wages have gone up over 400% since 1981.


Our country has been systematically overrun in the past 35 years by the mega wealthy who have all but undone The New Deal. The trickle-down economic theory is a failed experiment. It has never worked once in any society in the history of mankind. The demonetization of the government is another byproduct of big business to promote their agenda. The entire system is rigged, both political parties are on board, as politicians are mere puppets for people like the Koch brothers. Fortunately, I believe enough of us are waking up to the reality of our situation and we're starting the good fight our great grandparents once fought. Hopefully history will repeat itself and we take back what's ours and reestablish Keynesian economics, which had once propelled this great country to extraordinary heights.


I think some context is needed here. Just some things to keep in mind:on the spectrum from socialism to laissez-faire, the United States remains somewhere in the middle and arguably much closer to the socialism side of things. While it is true that we have moved away from socialism since the periods that you mention, we have not done so to the degree that you claim and if you widen the lens of American history to include its entirety then you would have to conclude that while the transition has not been linear we have been moving in a socialist direction.


While we could discuss economics dating back to the Ancient Roman empire, I found it most constructive to stick to America in the 20th century. Sure, we could argue economics dating back to the Roman Empire, but for the sake of keeping the discussion light and avoiding it drag on for months I arbitrarily chose the early 1900s as a starting point. I think we can learn a lot from our own recent history if we do such a simply analysis.

The statement that we are more socialist that say 1845 when we had slaves and the wild west is kinda pointless all the same. Humans as a whole have a more socialistic way of life than the Dark Ages during feudal times. The point is moot, and really I'm kinda glad we aren't pissing and pooping in the street, drinking dirty water, living in filth, taking care of our fellow man, etc. Simply because we are more socialist that cavemen isn't an argument to become less socialist. It's a logical fallacy.


LJ4pointplay wrote:Specifically, you should consider:
-the top rate you mention for individuals is not the "real rate" (a somewhat ambiguous term) that you apply to current corporations
-our corporate tax rate is the top in the world


I'm combining these two points, as they contradict one another. You reference the effective tax rate in point 1, but refuse to acknowledge it in point 2. While the tax rate was 94% in 1945, with deductions it was reduced substantially.

The same notion can be applied to the corporate tax rate. While our statutory rate ranks #1, numerous studies on the matter of effective corporate tax rate have us ranked lower. While they all vary to some degree, they all point to the fact that the US is certainly not the highest in the world. Some studies have us ranked around 27-28% and depending on the study that ranks us, we fall somewhere near the average rate for OECD countries, some put us above average, others below, all studies I have found do NOT rank us the highest.

LJ4pointplay wrote:-corporations are subject to double taxation. They are taxed at the corporate level and then the shareholders are taxed again when they receive their income.


This is a buzzword the billionaire controlled media uses to promote their agenda. Taxes on shareholders are very friendly, especially to long term capitol gains. Why should Wall Street investors be able to make had over fist at a zero percent tax rate? I personally day traded as a living for 8 years and found the tax code to be easily dealt with, including short term gains, which made up approximately 95% of my earnings.

LJ4pointplay wrote:-our current system is largely based on Keynesian economics, and Keynesian theory does not support your views at all. A Keynesian economist would have major issues with your views.
-you seem to not consider factors behind economic expansion and retraction aside from taxation.
-If the pie grows, and everyone's slices grow, should we take issue with the fact that certain people's slices might grow at a faster rate than others? Would you prefer the pie stay the same size and everyone be given equal sizes? I don't mean to suggest that those are the only options, but questions worth considering.

You might want to consider actually reading some Keynesian economic theory as well as some Austrian stuff (with an open mind). Milton Friedman' works would be a good start.


I kept my post short and simple, realizing there are other variables at play. However, the most resounding reason in my opinion as to why the middle class has been gutted is the tax code along with the numerous free trade agreements our government has implemented at the behest of the billionaires. I suppose I could have mentioned my thoughts on those foreign policy changes along with the removal of our tariffs. It all ties together neatly to support my claims that the post-Reagan government has been a series of negatively impacting events for almost anyone that is not in the class of the Koch brothers.

I'm an amateur at best in the area of economics, but I don't think it takes a doctorate to see the writing on the wall that we're getting bent over the couch by a few super rich psychopaths.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#159 » by Haris » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:35 pm

AndriPerdhian93 wrote:love this man hating islam so openly :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're sucker just like him and anyone who supports this guy.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#160 » by Bill Pidto » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:35 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


Dude... that guy is a disgrace. Clearly a racist. But how does this prove that Trump is a racist? Many people that support Bernie advocate killing police, and in some cases, advocate hating all white people. Should I assume you share those same beliefs because you support the same candidate? Do you want to kill me?

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