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thebuzzardman wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:
So what was the case with Bernie Williams? Because the Yanks traded Gus Williams because he was basically hazing Bernie.

Seemed to be a tough enough guy and had a really good career. Or was Bernie under the "these days" umbrella?

I mean, personally I favor the days where baseball players boozed all night and took speed the next day to stay awake/hand eye coordination, but that's me.

Oh, and the 80's and 90's where they snorted copious amounts of blow.

Though I'm most fond of:

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I believe it was Oscar Gamble who hazed Bernie and it was Gerald Williams who checked Oscar.

Btw, that Dock Ellis animation is one of my favorite videos. HarthorneWingo gives is 5 stars.

Gamble I think is too early for Bernie; they are offset by 10 years. Oscar and Walt Williams (he of the no neck) may have been teammates. As, it was Gerald Williams. I know the name was with a G*

Oscar Gamble was gone before Bernie was around. Gerald and Bernie were very good friends. There was no Gus Williams. The player that hazed and really got on Bernie when he was young was Mel Hall.

Our press here really sucks and costs us a lot of chances to land big name players. Why would someone want to come here just to be lampooned by these types?

You want to know who's laughing right now...Derek Jeter. Cashman trades Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith from the Yankees to the Marlins For Michael King and Int’l Bonus Pool Money. Jeter's first fleecing of Cashman of many in the future. Cooper could have been the Yanks DH and backup first baseman. Guy can hit. And we get a guy that will never play for us and come up empty on chicken Ohtani. SMH

BadNewsBarnes wrote:You want to know who's laughing right now...Derek Jeter. Cashman trades Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith From Yankees to the Marlins For Michael King and Int’l Bonus Pool Money. Jeter's first fleecing of Cashman of many in the future. Cooper could have been the Yanks DH and backup first baseman. Guy can hit. And we get a guy that will never play for us and come up empty on chicken Ohtani. SMH

Meh, we needed space on the 40 man roster anyway.

BadNewsBarnes wrote:You want to know who's laughing right now...Derek Jeter. Cashman trades Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith from the Yankees to the Marlins For Michael King and Int’l Bonus Pool Money. Jeter's first fleecing of Cashman of many in the future. Cooper could have been the Yanks DH and backup first baseman. Guy can hit. And we get a guy that will never play for us and come up empty on chicken Ohtani. SMH

huh?

That's not a fleece. We had to get rid of players on the 40 man. Cooper was one of them. And no one will cry over Caleb Smith.

Since we have $3.5M in signing bonuses, we'll end up swiping Kevin Maitan and probably a few other top IFAs.

I think you both are underrating Cooper. Smith I don't care about.

BadNewsBarnes wrote:I think you both are underrating Cooper. Smith I don't care about.

Cooper's numbers were significantly inflated from being in the hitter-friendly PCL in AAA and played home games in Colorado. There's a reason the Brewers gave him up only for an average AAA pitcher.

Not really sure how he will translate in the majors

Phish Tank wrote:

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Yeah. To me, it would have been nice to add a new flavor for the Yankees but it doesn't bother me. Mostly because Ohtani brings more question marks than sure things.

For example, Hideki Matsui was one of my favorite Yankees but "Godzilla" hit only 30+ homers ONCE. That didn't diminish his value as a Yankee. He was a great clubhouse guy, professional, no less important to that team but became a different kind of hitter in MLB. I'll be shocked if Ohtani comes close to his Japanese hitting numbers in the first few seasons as a MLBer.

The other question is, how many innings can he go? Kuroda was one of the steadiest arms in MLB. That is by far one of the smaller sample exceptions than the rule.

Again, I saw the 60 minutes special on him...and I think he's good but can he be great? The answer is closer to a hopeful "maybe" than a "OMG yes."

It sucks not getting him, would be cool to see a pitcher-hitter here... I can't see why he would go to a NL team if he wants to hit. I believe he's going to the Mariners , but then again they already have Cruz at DH and it might be hard for him to hit in that park. As long as he's not in our division I'm ok . Now lets focus on these Braves prospects.

GIMME_DATT wrote:Cashman said that Ohtani’s reps told him they were very impressed with team’s presentation, but no matter how good it was, the Yankees couldn’t make themselves West Coast or a smaller market.

Sounds like someone scared of the bright lights and media

Sounds like Cashman trying to cover his ass. He's been slacking lately.

bishnykfan wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:
I believe it was Oscar Gamble who hazed Bernie and it was Gerald Williams who checked Oscar.

Btw, that Dock Ellis animation is one of my favorite videos. HarthorneWingo gives is 5 stars.

Gamble I think is too early for Bernie; they are offset by 10 years. Oscar and Walt Williams (he of the no neck) may have been teammates. As, it was Gerald Williams. I know the name was with a G*

Oscar Gamble was gone before Bernie was around. Gerald and Bernie were very good friends. There was no Gus Williams. The player that hazed and really got on Bernie when he was young was Mel Hall.

Yep, my bad. It was Mel Hall, not Oscar.

moocow007 wrote:

HarthorneWingo wrote:

MaseInYourFace wrote:Any Ohtani rumors?

Yes, the Mets are interested.

That's like the 3rd alternate on the chess club being interested in the head cheerleader isn't it?

Welcome to the chess club.

Have a great week.

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I hope he does this during the season.

I hated that Daily News headline. It really makes New York look petty and unprofessional to the Japanese.

There's nothing wrong with saying, you're not ready for a high profile team like the New York Yankees. It's NOT for everyone. I'm not going to go out there and tell anyone that NYC is this magical place where it's better than anywhere else on the planet. It's the greatest feeling in the world, finding SUCCESS in NYC because the odds are stacked so much against you. But again, not everyone is up to the challenge.

I wish Ohtani success. It wouldn't surprise me if Cashman lied about "big market" phobia and goes to the Dodgers.

Mm...the media really likes Aaron Boone. They make him sound like Steve Kerr

BadNewsBarnes wrote:You want to know who's laughing right now...Derek Jeter. Cashman trades Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith from the Yankees to the Marlins For Michael King and Int’l Bonus Pool Money. Jeter's first fleecing of Cashman of many in the future. Cooper could have been the Yanks DH and backup first baseman. Guy can hit. And we get a guy that will never play for us and come up empty on chicken Ohtani. SMH

I’m sorry, I had no idea either one of those two were anything to cry over.

Dr. Detfink wrote:I hated that Daily News headline. It really makes New York look petty and unprofessional to the Japanese.

There's nothing wrong with saying, you're not ready for a high profile team like the New York Yankees. It's NOT for everyone. I'm not going to go out there and tell anyone that NYC is this magical place where it's better than anywhere else on the planet. It's the greatest feeling in the world, finding SUCCESS in NYC because the odds are stacked so much against you. But again, not everyone is up to the challenge.

I wish Ohtani success. It wouldn't surprise me if Cashman lied about "big market" phobia and goes to the Dodgers.

Sounds like he's going to the Mariners. Ask Robbie Don't Ya Know how tough that media market is? They are more concerned about the Sounders.

On another note, I wonder if the written exam had the question...

9. Would you sign Yu Darvish to your team?

Dr. Detfink wrote:I hated that Daily News headline. It really makes New York look petty and unprofessional to the Japanese.

There's nothing wrong with saying, you're not ready for a high profile team like the New York Yankees. It's NOT for everyone. I'm not going to go out there and tell anyone that NYC is this magical place where it's better than anywhere else on the planet. It's the greatest feeling in the world, finding SUCCESS in NYC because the odds are stacked so much against you. But again, not everyone is up to the challenge.

I wish Ohtani success. It wouldn't surprise me if Cashman lied about "big market" phobia and goes to the Dodgers.

We know you hate Cashman but it's in multiple papers that Blowtani wants to play for a team that trains in Arizona (why, I don't know, other than here was there as a guest) and a west coast or small market team.

Every team left trains in Arizona for spring training. Otani is just a different sort of guy, in the head, I guess.

thebuzzardman wrote:
We know you hate Cashman but it's in multiple papers that Blowtani wants to play for a team that trains in Arizona (why, I don't know, other than here was there as a guest) and a west coast or small market team.

Every team left trains in Arizona for spring training. Otani is just a different sort of guy, in the head, I guess.

Brian Cashman doesn't have a good reputation in Japan despite Hideki Matsui who actively advocates for the Yankees (please do yourself a favor and go to the Japan Baseball Hall of Fame in Tokyo).

Why you ask? Well Cashman got word from Mike Hargrove then manager of the Seattle how much of a diva, Ichiro Suzuki was. So Cashman HAD Ichiro sign these clauses which allowed the Yankees to move him around the outfield as need be AND bat him in any part of the order....vs Seattle front office who kowtowed to Ichiro and MADE Hargrove keep him at lead off and whichever position he wanted to play.

Now, I am a skeptic because Ohtani's reps said, he didn't want in a Big Market City. He preferred to be the Big Fish in a little pond BUT he contradicted himself by mentioning big cities like San Francisco and LA Dodgers are among the cities in contention.

I get the sense he's a little big of a diva but DEEP down, he knows NYC is the highest level of competition and expectations. He has no leverage if he goes there.

So It's a little of A and a little of exhibit B.

I think he'll fine as a pitcher but as a hitter, I'll be surprised if he hits more than 20.