Official MMA discussion thread: UFC 231 Holloway vs Ortega finally!

[HarthorneWingo]

I pray Jones loses, but he never does and probably never will at this weight. He's got too much of a reach advantage... the guy has a bigger reach than the 7+ foot Big Show from WWF... that's ridiculous, especially against guys that are usually around 5'11" - 6'2" tops.

The only way I see Jones losing is against someone like Gus who was able to come close to that reach, or Rumble (but that one ain't happening any more).. or at heavyweight against the bigger 220+ guys... not guys like Cain who he'd still have a length/size advantage over, but against guys like Overeem.

I'd be very interested in seeing Jones fight Lesner.

[HEZI]

I pray Jones loses, but he never does and probably never will at this weight. He's got too much of a reach advantage... the guy has a bigger reach than the 7+ foot Big Show from WWF... that's ridiculous, especially against guys that are usually around 5'11" - 6'2" tops.

The only way I see Jones losing is against someone like Gus who was able to come close to that reach, or Rumble (but that one ain't happening any more).. or at heavyweight against the bigger 220+ guys... not guys like Cain who he'd still have a length/size advantage over, but against guys like Overeem.

I'd be very interested in seeing Jones fight Lesner.

I can see it right now, Lesnar attempts to shoot and takedown Jones, catches a knee to the dome, lights out!

[HarthorneWingo]

I pray Jones loses, but he never does and probably never will at this weight. He's got too much of a reach advantage... the guy has a bigger reach than the 7+ foot Big Show from WWF... that's ridiculous, especially against guys that are usually around 5'11" - 6'2" tops.

The only way I see Jones losing is against someone like Gus who was able to come close to that reach, or Rumble (but that one ain't happening any more).. or at heavyweight against the bigger 220+ guys... not guys like Cain who he'd still have a length/size advantage over, but against guys like Overeem.

I'd be very interested in seeing Jones fight Lesner.

I can see it right now, Lesnar attempts to shoot and takedown Jones, catches a knee to the dome, lights out!

lol, I can see Lesner taking Jones to the ground, laying on him and bashing his face in with those huge fists and massive elbows.

[HEZI]

I'd be very interested in seeing Jones fight Lesner.

I can see it right now, Lesnar attempts to shoot and takedown Jones, catches a knee to the dome, lights out!

lol, I can see Lesner taking Jones to the ground, laying on him and bashing his face in with those huge fists and massive elbows.

Good luck to him trying to get Jones on the ground

[spree8]

I pray Jones loses, but he never does and probably never will at this weight. He's got too much of a reach advantage... the guy has a bigger reach than the 7+ foot Big Show from WWF... that's ridiculous, especially against guys that are usually around 5'11" - 6'2" tops.

The only way I see Jones losing is against someone like Gus who was able to come close to that reach, or Rumble (but that one ain't happening any more).. or at heavyweight against the bigger 220+ guys... not guys like Cain who he'd still have a length/size advantage over, but against guys like Overeem.

I'd be very interested in seeing Jones fight Lesner.

Yea that'd be huge... really huge. I have no idea how that'd play out... could end up like Reem vs Brock, or it could end up like Brock vs Mir II.

[bringbackhoffa]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

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[HEZI]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

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No way! If you listen to his interview he sounds super confident, not like someone who is wounded and might have some doubts. I think he has some new techniques that he's trying to hide. This guy is all about evolving as a fighter and he likely developed some new skills that he's not ready to show the world yet.

[bringbackhoffa]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

sent using the big baller brand phone

No way! If you listen to his interview he sounds super confident, not like someone who is wounded and might have some doubts. I think he has some new techniques that he's trying to hide. This guy is all about evolving as a fighter and he likely developed some new skills that he's not ready to show the world yet.

U don't have to show any special technique during a workout..

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[HarthorneWingo]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

sent using the big baller brand phone

No way! If you listen to his interview he sounds super confident, not like someone who is wounded and might have some doubts. I think he has some new techniques that he's trying to hide. This guy is all about evolving as a fighter and he likely developed some new skills that he's not ready to show the world yet.

I beg to differ. Jones got up and walked out of an interview of him and DC out of frustration because DC broke him mentally. And at the recent stare down, DC stared through Jones's soul and Jon looked away. DC's got the mental edge here. He's been fighting and winning while Jones has had one very meh fight over 4 (?) years.

People tend to forget that DC not only beat Alexander Gustafson but he freaking picked him up by his leg and flipped him to the ground. And we all know the reach that Gus has over DC.

Watch on YouTube

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm watching the replay of the Gus v. JJ fight. Gus won the first 3 rounds.

[HEZI]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

sent using the big baller brand phone

No way! If you listen to his interview he sounds super confident, not like someone who is wounded and might have some doubts. I think he has some new techniques that he's trying to hide. This guy is all about evolving as a fighter and he likely developed some new skills that he's not ready to show the world yet.

U don't have to show any special technique during a workout..

sent using the big baller brand phone

It all depends on his workout

[HEZI]

Do u think the reason Jon Jones not participating in the open workouts is because he is trying to hide some sort of injury?

sent using the big baller brand phone

No way! If you listen to his interview he sounds super confident, not like someone who is wounded and might have some doubts. I think he has some new techniques that he's trying to hide. This guy is all about evolving as a fighter and he likely developed some new skills that he's not ready to show the world yet.

I beg to differ. Jones got up and walked out of an interview of him and DC out of frustration because DC broke him mentally. And at the recent stare down, DC stared through Jones's soul and Jon looked away. DC's got the mental edge here. He's been fighting and winning while Jones has had one very meh fight over 4 (?) years.

People tend to forget that DC not only beat Alexander Gustafson but he freaking picked him up by his leg and flipped him to the ground. And we all know the reach that Gus has over DC.

Watch on YouTube

DC looks like the mentally weak one to me, just going off their interviews.

4 years? Cmon, its only been 2 years since Jones beat him and he body slammed him over and over and over again. Nobody ever tossed DC around like Jones did in their first fight.

[Guano]

I'm watching the replay of the Gus v. JJ fight. Gus won the first 3 rounds.

Gus won that fight

edit: though to be fair Jones was on a coke bender and eating too much popeyes

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm watching the replay of the Gus v. JJ fight. Gus won the first 3 rounds.

Gus won that fight

Yep. What was really weird was that one judge scored the fight 49-46 for Jones. That judge must've been doing blow with Jon the night before.

[Guano]

I'm watching the replay of the Gus v. JJ fight. Gus won the first 3 rounds.

Gus won that fight

Yep. What was really weird was that one judge scored the fight 49-46 for Jones. That judge must've been doing blow with Jon the night before.

whats crazy about that fight was it was like a real life video game fight, like street fighter. jones was getting peppered then he desperately started mashing the b button to throw spinning elbows and it changed the whole fight.

[HarthorneWingo]

Gus won that fight

Yep. What was really weird was that one judge scored the fight 49-46 for Jones. That judge must've been doing blow with Jon the night before.

whats crazy about that fight was it was like a real life video game fight, like street fighter. jones was getting peppered then he desperately started mashing the b button to throw spinning elbows and it changed the whole fight.

Those elbows are devastating


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[MelosSoreWrist]

Here's the full breakdown for 214 fam, appreciate clicks and reads. I put in some extra tactics talk on the main events, hopefully to provoke some real discussion on how people see things play out because the style match-ups are really interesting up and down this card!

https://fteswl.com/2017/07/27/ufc-214-preview-one-card-to-rule-them-all/

Bonus piece on my visit to the Barclays for the MayMac tour and how the atmosphere opened my mind up a little to how fun this event can be: https://fteswl.com/2017/07/20/the-maymac-world-tour-brooklyn-ny-press-conference/

Really enjoyed reading your article and listening to your podcast. I appreciate the meatiness of your previews. Thanks for the content, keep up the good work.

(your podcast image had a official looking "SUNDAY JULY 30" date for the event. Made me check ufc.com to double check)

[TheAttckRack]

TOTALLY spaced that this was on! TOTALLY stoked to be reminded! I get The Hate - he's done some real nasty ****! - but I do love me some Bones. I don't ask them to be saints - and dude needs To Repent, no question! - but I just have always loved his ass kicking ability. Dude's just good at fighting. And he's mean. But, if Cormier ever had a shot at beating Bones, though, this is it. Jon needs to reach down and bring it for this. I expect eyes to be poked.

[HarthorneWingo]

DC discusses what happened at Cormier v. Jones 1 and what adjustments he needs to make tonight.

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[HarthorneWingo]

TOTALLY spaced that this was on! TOTALLY stoked to be reminded! I get The Hate - he's done some real nasty ****! - but I do love me some Bones. I don't ask them to be saints - and dude needs To Repent, no question! - but I just have always loved his ass kicking ability. Dude's just good at fighting. And he's mean. But, if Cormier ever had a shot at beating Bones, though, this is it. Jon needs to reach down and bring it for this. I expect eyes to be poked.

Herb Dean, who refereed the first fight, was supposed to ref this fight too but DC's camp petitioned for a ref change because they said that Dean let Jones hold DC up against the fence too long. So now Big Johnny Mac is doing it.

Did Jones poke DC in the last one?