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Billy Goat wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Deeeez Knicks wrote:No matter who we draft we should try to trade Melo

Agreed. But they need to get some serious value back and not just basically dump him.

Melo's on a max deal with a NTC. You're not getting value back there. He's a total sunk cost with total control on where he goes. The Knicks are staring at a buyout situation if he's not willing to budge on destinations or leaving at all.

Billy Goat wrote:

Greenie wrote:

Billy Goat wrote:
Melo's on a max deal with a NTC. You're not getting value back there. He's a total sunk cost with total control on where he goes. The Knicks are staring at a buyout situation if he's not willing to budge on destinations or leaving at all.

Melo is not on a max deal.

He's due 53 mill over the next two years. It's as close as to the max you're going to get.

moocow007 wrote:

Billy Goat wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
Agreed. But they need to get some serious value back and not just basically dump him.

Melo's on a max deal with a NTC. You're not getting value back there. He's a total sunk cost with total control on where he goes. The Knicks are staring at a buyout situation if he's not willing to budge on destinations or leaving at all.

Carmelo Anthony is not a sunk cost. That's just an idiotic statement. Buyout? Why on earth would the Knicks buy him out? Because they're morons? Anthony not being Lebron James or the same guy from his peak doesn't mean he's absolute crap. He may not net great value but let's not get carried away to the other extreme.

moocow007 wrote:

Billy Goat wrote:

Greenie wrote:Melo is not on a max deal.

He's due 53 mill over the next two years. It's as close as to the max you're going to get.

? Max deals have been and are continuing to go up. He's not "close to the max as you're going to get".

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:

Billy Goat wrote:
He's due 53 mill over the next two years. It's as close as to the max you're going to get.

? Max deals have been and are continuing to go up. He's not "close to the max as you're going to get".

For example, Mike Conley is currently making 26 million in the 1st year of his deal. Carmelo Anthony is making 24.5 mill in the 3rd year of his.

KnicksGod wrote:Your view of the bad contracts is extreme and I think incorrect. Noah is the only one that's bad and unmovable without significant assets, and the Knicks also have good contracts on the books as well. Two bad offsetting two good equals 4 average. That's the beauty of numbers.

You have to count rookie contracts as good contracts. So KP and Billy, O'Quinn, another lottery pick contract coming. Lance's is not that bad. Melo's is close to expiring or gone altogether.

Even Noah's will expire by the time KP is 24. It's not close to crippling but that's what you're saying.

Dr. Detfink wrote:

KnicksGod wrote:Your view of the bad contracts is extreme and I think incorrect. Noah is the only one that's bad and unmovable without significant assets, and the Knicks also have good contracts on the books as well. Two bad offsetting two good equals 4 average. That's the beauty of numbers.

You have to count rookie contracts as good contracts. So KP and Billy, O'Quinn, another lottery pick contract coming. Lance's is not that bad. Melo's is close to expiring or gone altogether.

Even Noah's will expire by the time KP is 24. It's not close to crippling but that's what you're saying.

The Melo contract is a bad contract because there is a no-trade clause. It's a huge reason why the Knicks will have to suffer through another season with Phil cryptically needling Melo.

The Lance Thomas contract is TERRIBLE. $6M with THREE more seasons, the final season is $7.5M for a 28 year old guy who isn't getting any better.

This is why the Knicks who are stuck with Hornacek, Noah, Melo, Thomas will have to exclusively depend on the draft for the next 3 seasons.

Billy Goat wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
? Max deals have been and are continuing to go up. He's not "close to the max as you're going to get".

For example, Mike Conley is currently making 26 million in the 1st year of his deal. Carmelo Anthony is making 24.5 mill in the 3rd year of his.

Melo will make 26 mill next year and 27 mill the following. I mean...other than Curry and maybe Blake who's going to approach that of the 2017 FA crop?

Billy Goat wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

moocow007 wrote:
? Max deals have been and are continuing to go up. He's not "close to the max as you're going to get".

For example, Mike Conley is currently making 26 million in the 1st year of his deal. Carmelo Anthony is making 24.5 mill in the 3rd year of his.

Melo will make 26 mill next year and 27 mill the following. I mean...other than Curry and maybe Blake who's going to approach that of the 2017 FA crop?

MaseInYourFace wrote:I'm still not sold on Ball. Y'all overrate the college game. A lot of it doesn't translate to NBA.

Marty McFly wrote:depends. if the celtics fall out of the top 3 for us to jump into the top 2, i'd offer them melo for their 4th pick. they'd probably laugh, but with brown and crowder in the fold, i don't know that jackson, tatum or dsj as bpa's make sense for them at that point. at least they can play melo at the 4.

MaseInYourFace wrote:I'm still not sold on Ball. Y'all overrate the college game. A lot of it doesn't translate to NBA.

MaseInYourFace wrote:I'm still not sold on Ball. Y'all overrate the college game. A lot of it doesn't translate to NBA.