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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick  

Post#181 » by kane2021 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:24 pm

Say we got really lucky and landed the third pick. And Boston ends up with first or second. I wonder if we could work out a swap. Say they draft fultz at 1. We at 3rd with Jackson on the board. Would the draft rights to Jackson and say Willy be enough to get fultz?

Same question could probably apply if suns got 2nd and we got 3rd or maybe even 4th. Say Willy and Tatum for ball. Who I'm sure would rather ny over Phoenix and might actually push for that.

Those teams have guards and could use a forward. We badly need a guard.


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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#182 » by K-DOT » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:34 pm

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Giannis improved significantly from year 1 to year 2. Porzingis is getting worse.

That is just laughably untrue
Kristaps went from 14.3 7.3 1.3 .7 1.9 on 42/33/84 splits his first year (.518 TS%) to
18.1 7.3 1.4 .7 2.0 on 44/36/79 splits this year (.541 TS%), so more points more efficiently, yeah soo much worse
Giannis first year: 7/4.4/1.9/.8/.8 on 41/35/68 splits (.518 TS%)
Giannis second year: 13/6.7/2.6/.9/1 on 49/16/74 splits (.552 TS%)

So about the same improvement from a scoring/efficiency standpoint. Giannis didn't really break out until this year, his 4th year


Porzingis' rebounds are down, fouls are up...assist numbers still stink. True shooting has improved but for a big that takes the amount of shots he does it needs to be better. He's still an unknown but to say he's trending upwards or to star status its just not true.

So first off, his rebounds are the same
Second, his job isn't to create for others, why would you expect him to have high assists?
Third, you do realize that the more shots you take, the lower your efficiency typically is?
Fourth, I literally just showed you statistical improvement and you say he's not trending upwards
Fifth, you want to trade KP because he's an "unknown" for a college kid that has not played a single minute in the NBA. That is literally the definition of an unknown
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#183 » by Sark » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:01 pm

You do realize if this teade was proposed to Boston, they'd say yes in a heartbeat? That's how you know you're getting stiffed. When the other side says yes without even thinking.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#184 » by Ralphie96 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Greenie wrote:OMG.

Lopez
Gasol
Jokic
Cousins
Towns
Embid

...And those are just centers. We can talk PF's too if you would like.
Bigs are shooting more threes than ever before. The dudes I listed will block your **** too.


Gasol - All star
Cousins - All star

Lopez is a talent offensively but stinks on defense

Towns putting up similar numbers (more polished offensively) but KP is better on defense

Embiid - two foot surgeries and now a knee surgery so I can't put him in the discussion until he actually plays a full season.

So KP is putting up similar offensive numbers next to all those all-star caliber centers at the age of 21...and he is the best defensive player out of that group too.


greenie is saying she would trade kp for both picks. then compares kp to these guys. which should lead to the next question. would anyone trade any of these guys for both bk picks?
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#185 » by Billy Goat » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Sark wrote:You do realize if this teade was proposed to Boston, they'd say yes in a heartbeat? That's how you know you're getting stiffed. When the other side says yes without even thinking.


No they wouldnt assuming its the first pick.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#186 » by Sark » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:01 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:You do realize if this teade was proposed to Boston, they'd say yes in a heartbeat? That's how you know you're getting stiffed. When the other side says yes without even thinking.


No they wouldnt assuming its the first pick.


Yes they would.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#187 » by Rasho Brezec » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:19 pm

Let's move up the draft with our pick + Melo.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#188 » by Billy Goat » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:21 pm

Sark wrote:
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Sark wrote:You do realize if this teade was proposed to Boston, they'd say yes in a heartbeat? That's how you know you're getting stiffed. When the other side says yes without even thinking.


No they wouldnt assuming its the first pick.


Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#189 » by KnicksGod » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:36 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
No they wouldnt assuming its the first pick.


Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


They have Thomas who they already know is good.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#190 » by Billy Goat » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:42 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:
Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


They have Thomas who they already know is good.


Sure- but those two could easily play together. Point being Lonzo is going #1 overall regardless of lottery outcome save an injury.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#191 » by Icandoallthings » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:46 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
No they wouldnt assuming its the first pick.


Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#192 » by shtolky » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:52 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
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Billy Goat wrote:You'd have to consider it if you're getting the first pick in the draft and taking Ball. Point being -Boston aint giving that up. Porzingis is far from the sure thing we all thought he'd be after the first 3 months of his rookie year. He's had a rough go since then...it could just be because him and Melo basically play the same position....but watching a 7'3 guy trying to be a guard is painful to watch.

You'd have to consider it if you're getting the first pick in the draft and taking Towns. Point being -Minnestoa aint giving that up. Giannis is far from the sure thing we all thought he'd be after the first 3 months of his rookie year. He's had a rough go since then...it could just be because him and Jabari basically play the same position....but watching a 6'11 guy trying to be a guard is painful to watch.

This is what you sound like


Giannis improved significantly from year 1 to year 2. Porzingis is getting worse.



Giannis also had a dreadful rookie season. It's easy to improve from the bottom. KP was runner up ROY. Also, Giannis did not improve "significantly" from year 1 to 2. That jump came from the second half of year 3 to the beginning of this season. KP's fg% is up, 3p makes and % are both up, ft% barely down, rebounds the same, assists and blocks barely up, steals and TO the same, points way up. In what universe is he getting worse? 18, 7, 2blks, 2 3's per game and he's getting worse...I don't know what's happening with this board.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#193 » by Billy Goat » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:56 pm

Icandoallthings wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:
Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


:lol:


Not one GM is taking Porzingis over Ball. Well, maybe besides Phil.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#194 » by Billy Goat » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:59 pm

shtolky wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
This is what you sound like


Giannis improved significantly from year 1 to year 2. Porzingis is getting worse.



Giannis also had a dreadful rookie season. It's easy to improve from the bottom. KP was runner up ROY. Also, Giannis did not improve "significantly" from year 1 to 2. That jump came from the second half of year 3 to the beginning of this season. KP's fg% is up, 3p makes and % are both up, ft% barely down, rebounds the same, assists and blocks barely up, steals and TO the same, points way up. In what universe is he getting worse? 18, 7, 2blks, 2 3's per game and he's getting worse...I don't know what's happening with this board.


His TS% is up, everything else is down per48.(besides fouls which are up, but that's bad)
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#195 » by Sark » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:06 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Icandoallthings wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


:lol:


Not one GM is taking Porzingis over Ball. Well, maybe besides Phil.



Yes they are. Lonzo Ball hasn't proven anything at the NBA level yet. KP is already an All Star level player still on a rookie contract. In terms of the young talent in the NBA, KP is right up there with KAT, Jokic, and Anthony Davis (Embiid too if he's healthy). Go scour the forums, and look for threads/posts from other fan bases discussing KP's trade value.

There are still huge questions regarding all the prospects in this year's draft, particularly Ball and his awkward jump shot, and how it will translate at the NBA level.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#196 » by ChaosHamster » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:15 pm

So, what we got so far.

Ball, Tatum, Markkanen > KP?

So Fultz is surely also better.

DSJ, Jackson?

Would KP even go in top10 this year? :devil:
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#197 » by Sark » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:19 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:So, what we got so far.

Ball, Tatum, Markkanen > KP?

So Fultz is surely also better.

DSJ, Jackson?

Would KP even go in top10 this year? :devil:



Maybe second round. This year is stackeded.
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#198 » by Greenie » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:48 pm

Ralphie96 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Greenie wrote:OMG.

Lopez
Gasol
Jokic
Cousins
Towns
Embid

...And those are just centers. We can talk PF's too if you would like.
Bigs are shooting more threes than ever before. The dudes I listed will block your **** too.


Gasol - All star
Cousins - All star

Lopez is a talent offensively but stinks on defense

Towns putting up similar numbers (more polished offensively) but KP is better on defense

Embiid - two foot surgeries and now a knee surgery so I can't put him in the discussion until he actually plays a full season.

So KP is putting up similar offensive numbers next to all those all-star caliber centers at the age of 21...and he is the best defensive player out of that group too.


greenie is saying she would trade kp for both picks. then compares kp to these guys. which should lead to the next question. would anyone trade any of these guys for both bk picks?

Lopez - Yes.
Gasol/Cousins - would depend on the state of the team.
Embid - depends on what's going on with his health.
Towns/Jokic - HELL NO!
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#199 » by Greenie » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:49 pm

Sark wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Icandoallthings wrote:
:lol:


Not one GM is taking Porzingis over Ball. Well, maybe besides Phil.



Yes they are. Lonzo Ball hasn't proven anything at the NBA level yet. KP is already an All Star level player still on a rookie contract. In terms of the young talent in the NBA, KP is right up there with KAT, Jokic, and Anthony Davis (Embiid too if he's healthy). Go scour the forums, and look for threads/posts from other fan bases discussing KP's trade value.

There are still huge questions regarding all the prospects in this year's draft, particularly Ball and his awkward jump shot, and how it will translate at the NBA level.

Don't you have to make the all-star team to be an all-star player?
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Re: If Boston offered Brooklyn pick 

Post#200 » by Greenie » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:52 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
Sark wrote:
Yes they would.


Of course not. Ball is pretty much the best player in college basketball as a freshman and an immediate starter at PG. If Porzingis were put into this current draft Ball still goes one overall. If the question is Porzingis for Ball its a no-brainer move even with the father being a pain.


They have Thomas who they already know is good.

Then take Josh Jackson.

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