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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#321 » by ImSlower » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:21 pm

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knickstape4ever wrote:What about the Bulls if they offered the 16th pick, Valentine, and Portis?

Melo would get to team up with his boy Wade and actually make the playoffs

I dont love the deal. I'd rather trade him to Boston for Brown or Lakers for Russell or Heat for Winslow and the 14th.

Melo in MIA would be good for him because its a nice location thats good for his brand, he would have a great coach, a chance to contend. Say we were to get Winslow and the 14th, I'd trade Lee, KOQ for more picks and try to move up to get another top 10. In 2013 draft it took the 14th and 21st pick to move up to 9. I think we could get a pick in the 20's for Lee, maybe an early 2nd for KOQ too


I'm so scared that Wade and Butler are going to say they want Melo. It'd be such a terrible, terrible fit. There's still a healthy contingent of Bulls fans back in our playground that think he'd magically start playing tenacious defense at the 4 and unselfish offense in our system. We'd be getting jump balls called between our own teammates every fourth quarter as Butler, Melo, and Wade all wrestled over the ball every possession.

honestly, did you believe rondo would be a good fit?


Rondo is one of my least favorite players of all time, so I have an enormous personal bias against him since the day he signed with us. He looked absolutely awful for most of the regular season. But I give him must respect for saying the right things, and coming alive here in the post-season. But, no, I don't believe he is a good fit whatsoever for Butler and Wade. Fit doesn't matter as much as vet presence and a hot hand in the playoffs, though.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#322 » by knickstape4ever » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:25 pm

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knickstape4ever wrote:the leverage we have is that we dont have to trade Melo for nothing. Obviously Phil didn't get a good enough deal at the deadline so he held on to Melo. We dont have to trade him because its not like he's getting in the way of us accumulating young talent. Believe it or not Melo can actually help a playoff team...just not as the #1 or on a team like the Heat that is very well coached and defensively can cover up for Melo's woes by playing him at the 4 next to Whiteside


honestly I believe the best way to use the leverage is have a date. Say we are trading Melo on this date and we have a list of 5 or 6 teams that melo will approve being traded to. Make it a blind bid. Say submit your best offer by this time and we will accept what we feel is the best offer.

That could make some teams panic and say do we really want to miss out on a chance to get Melo who can help us because we weren't willing to part with one more asset.

It's like people selling a house who don't live there anymore. You know they need to sell the house but at least if you have multiple bidders you can use there varying levels of interest against them. Its clear we will be getting .50 cents on the dollar for melo. I'm cool with that but prying as many assets as possible is the goal here.


i think that tactic could definitely work if you have a guarantee from Melo that he'd accept a trade to a certain list and that once we'd receive all offers we can just choose the best one and waiving his no trade would just be formality
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#323 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:25 pm

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iLovethosedamnknicks wrote:Okc needs melo bad. But the SOB won't waive his trade clause to go there. Oladipo for. Melo makes sense


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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#324 » by mpharris36 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:36 pm

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knickstape4ever wrote:the leverage we have is that we dont have to trade Melo for nothing. Obviously Phil didn't get a good enough deal at the deadline so he held on to Melo. We dont have to trade him because its not like he's getting in the way of us accumulating young talent. Believe it or not Melo can actually help a playoff team...just not as the #1 or on a team like the Heat that is very well coached and defensively can cover up for Melo's woes by playing him at the 4 next to Whiteside


honestly I believe the best way to use the leverage is have a date. Say we are trading Melo on this date and we have a list of 5 or 6 teams that melo will approve being traded to. Make it a blind bid. Say submit your best offer by this time and we will accept what we feel is the best offer.

That could make some teams panic and say do we really want to miss out on a chance to get Melo who can help us because we weren't willing to part with one more asset.

It's like people selling a house who don't live there anymore. You know they need to sell the house but at least if you have multiple bidders you can use there varying levels of interest against them. Its clear we will be getting .50 cents on the dollar for melo. I'm cool with that but prying as many assets as possible is the goal here.


i think that tactic could definitely work if you have a guarantee from Melo that he'd accept a trade to a certain list and that once we'd receive all offers we can just choose the best one and waiving his no trade would just be formality


its the only way I see us getting somewhat fair value because if you just are negotiating with a team and other teams drop out you lose leverage because you already have a limited amount of teams interested.

If you do some kind of a blind bidding...teams will have to determine what other teams might offer to not get outbid.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#325 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:21 pm

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Lol..I bet you would.....especially since KOQ is worth more than the pick, Lee cancels Nance, Deng is worth the 2nd round, which means it comes down to Melo for Clarkson..plus we take on Deng's horrible contract. Pass in a big way.
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Lee does not cancel Nance. Lee is 31. Nance is 24
Lee will probably start to decline before Nance even reaches his prime.


Nance just isn't that good. Lee has several years left and is a very solid player. Nance is good for the occasional highlight.

age is totally overrated on this board when looking at players
its astounding

but Nance is a solid prospect
he plays pretty good D, doesnt need the ball, and moves well without the ball

I think he's a solid piece in a trade
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#326 » by blueNorange » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:28 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:the leverage we have is that we dont have to trade Melo for nothing. Obviously Phil didn't get a good enough deal at the deadline so he held on to Melo. We dont have to trade him because its not like he's getting in the way of us accumulating young talent. Believe it or not Melo can actually help a playoff team...just not as the #1 or on a team like the Heat that is very well coached and defensively can cover up for Melo's woes by playing him at the 4 next to Whiteside

except melo has said he doesn't want to play power forward, which is why he hasn't played that position in 3 years outside of a few moments here and there during games.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#327 » by alphad0gz » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:04 pm

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J_LA wrote:.

Lee does not cancel Nance. Lee is 31. Nance is 24
Lee will probably start to decline before Nance even reaches his prime.


Nance just isn't that good. Lee has several years left and is a very solid player. Nance is good for the occasional highlight.

age is totally overrated on this board when looking at players
its astounding

but Nance is a solid prospect
he plays pretty good D, doesnt need the ball, and moves well without the ball

I think he's a solid piece in a trade


You're better than that. What does he offer? He'll be 25 next year....is a career 25% 3pt guy, 50% from , mostly dunks and layups, not great defender or rebounder. Tell me again how he is a solid pc.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#328 » by BowlRips » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:11 pm

How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#329 » by J_LA » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Started out the season as our defensive anchor off the bench, when our bench was the best in the league for the first 20 games.
Went down with a knee injury and our bench was never really the same. Not saying he is the only reason for that, but losing him was huge blow. He missed about 20 games. Took him a while to get comfortable again but when he did, he was solid for us.
I know its a small sample but as a starter the final 7 games or so, he averaged about 10 points, 10 rebounds, with 2 steals and a block.

Nobody on our team is mistaking him for some kind of future all star, but he definitely has value as a role player.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#330 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:43 pm

alphad0gz wrote:
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alphad0gz wrote:
Nance just isn't that good. Lee has several years left and is a very solid player. Nance is good for the occasional highlight.

age is totally overrated on this board when looking at players
its astounding

but Nance is a solid prospect
he plays pretty good D, doesnt need the ball, and moves well without the ball

I think he's a solid piece in a trade


You're better than that. What does he offer? He'll be 25 next year....is a career 25% 3pt guy, 50% from , mostly dunks and layups, not great defender or rebounder. Tell me again how he is a solid pc.
hes far from a corner stone or a player you build around but Phil has destroyed Melos value to the point where a guy like Nance and the rockets pick might be as good as we can get without taking on salary

I see more talent in Randal and think he fits well with KP and Willy in a three man rotation.

But nance is a worker, plays d, rebounds, runs and moves well without the ball. He could fit here.

Again I want much more for melo but I'm not certain we will be getting it
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#331 » by sogood » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:58 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:What about the Bulls if they offered the 16th pick, Valentine, and Portis?

Melo would get to team up with his boy Wade and actually make the playoffs

I dont love the deal. I'd rather trade him to Boston for Brown or Lakers for Russell or Heat for Winslow and the 14th.

Melo in MIA would be good for him because its a nice location thats good for his brand, he would have a great coach, a chance to contend. Say we were to get Winslow and the 14th, I'd trade Lee, KOQ for more picks and try to move up to get another top 10. In 2013 draft it took the 14th and 21st pick to move up to 9. I think we could get a pick in the 20's for Lee, maybe an early 2nd for KOQ too


Pretty sure we all would but that **** ain't happening.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#332 » by knicksup19 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:46 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:What are the chances, Melo focuses all his energy on basketball, after his personal life become a mess..

Grows a beard, trains in the woods all summer, comes back, and becomes an MVP!


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Post#333 » by knicksup19 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:46 pm

BowlRips wrote:How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th


deal buy lal would be foolish to give up randle..
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#334 » by King of Canada » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:13 pm

blueNorange wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:the leverage we have is that we dont have to trade Melo for nothing. Obviously Phil didn't get a good enough deal at the deadline so he held on to Melo. We dont have to trade him because its not like he's getting in the way of us accumulating young talent. Believe it or not Melo can actually help a playoff team...just not as the #1 or on a team like the Heat that is very well coached and defensively can cover up for Melo's woes by playing him at the 4 next to Whiteside

except melo has said he doesn't want to play power forward, which is why he hasn't played that position in 3 years outside of a few moments here and there during games.


Maybe if we change the name to "Awesome Forward" or something like that he'll go for it :lol:
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#335 » by R-S-M » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:17 pm

Wonder if Wiz would want to take a chance and if he would waive clause for them. They are winning and he can go "home." Perhaps, a three way trade.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#336 » by King of Canada » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:24 pm

R-S-M wrote:Wonder if Wiz would want to take a chance and if he would waive clause for them. They are winning and he can go "home." Perhaps, a three way trade.


It will certainly open some doors with the cap going up again. We don't necessarily have to have equal dollar value coming back.
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Post#337 » by alphad0gz » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:51 pm

knicksup19 wrote:
BowlRips wrote:How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th


deal buy lal would be foolish to give up randle..


Randle is one of those rare players where team is worse on offense AND defense when he is on the court. A net of 7.2 pts.....jus sayin'
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#338 » by yanuary » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:54 pm

BowlRips wrote:How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th


Remove Randle and O'Quinn
Add Brewer and C.Lee

And we have a deal ;) (picks are 28th and 45th).
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#339 » by K-DOT » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:58 pm

yanuary wrote:
BowlRips wrote:How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th


Remove Randle and O'Quinn
Add Brewer and C.Lee

And we have a deal ;) (picks are 28th and 45th).

So we give you a solid SG on a good contract, a still good but overpaid SF and a 2nd rounder for a bad contract, a useless player, a meh prospect, and basically a 2nd rounder?
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Re: Melo Trade Thread Offseason Edition 1 

Post#340 » by knicks85 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:09 am

yanuary wrote:
BowlRips wrote:How about
Deng, Randle, Clarkson, 27th
For
Melo, O'Quinn, 44th


Remove Randle and O'Quinn
Add Brewer and C.Lee

And we have a deal ;) (picks are 28th and 45th).

The original trade was piss poor...this is just a wet turd
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