Did we misread Dantoni?

F N 11 · Post #61 » by **F N 11** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:48 pm

Greenie wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Melo didnt mesh with his style and we didnt allow him to run his offense with the type of players we had. Only team Melo would of meshed with was the Hawks when they hd Mike woodson.

What was Mike's excuse before Melo?
How soon we forget Mike spent the majority of his time here without Melo.

You mean Amare playing like a MVP and the team looking good and playing fast? IDK

Knicksfan1992 · Post #62 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:48 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
well there's been a system in place in San Antonio going on two decades. Buford and Pop are on the same page when it comes to personnel- you have to actually be coachable. San Antonio has built their rosters through the draft with guys in mind they know they can coach and work with. The Knicks havent exactly had the easiest guys to deal with....and a lot of that has to do with them building through FA/trades - dealing with guys their original team didnt want anymore.

Pop has constantly adjusted his system. D'Antoni hasn't. The Spurs used to be a slow grind it out, ugly defensive ball club. Now they're a free flowing 3 happy defensive juggernaut. When has D'Antoni adjusted anything? Yes having coachable player helps, but when you're coach is as stubborn as a mule does it matter how coachable your guys are?

When the roster sucks none of it matters. The Spurs have drafted well. The teams Dantoni had here, especially the first two had nothing. Who was Dantoni going to adjust for- Channing Frye?

D'Antoni had pretty much the same roster Woody had when he won 54 games sans the old man crew, but with Jeremy Lin and was very mediocre...Also that doesn't explain his Lakers debacle with a still late prime Kobe and Gasol and Prime d12

Knicksfan1992 · Post #63 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:51 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:So we went from Pringles was here to bring Lebron to he was just here to lead youngins?

It's easy to make every field goal when you move the goal posts... :lol:

Now it's he didn't have the players when those same players won 54 games with a different coach

poeman · Post #64 » by **poeman** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:51 pm

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MaseInYourFace · Post #65 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:04 pm

Dantoni needs a very specific type of roster to be successful also he's one of these coaches who I don't think can coach an eastern conference team. These kinds of coaches don't work in nyc. Don't think we misread Dantoni at all. He's the same dude. It's just he's in a situation that is a match for him. He was always a bad fit for the Knicks.

Jay10 · Post #66 » by **Jay10** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:11 pm

Steph would've been a Denver Nugget after his first ankle injury.

Oscirus · Post #67 » by **Oscirus** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:25 pm

I'm pretty sure if Steph was the pick, Mike would've ran his ass into the ground. Did you see how much Dantoni played his starters the year they picked up Amare?

HarthorneWingo · Post #68 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:44 pm

Greenie wrote:
Knicks93 wrote:Don't think we misread, we thought he was a good coach. Melo just refused to change for his system, same thing with Phil and the triangle now. We chose Melo over Mike

Once again with this.

Mike was here before Melo.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni never coached Melo for a full 82 game season. Stop this nonsense. Mike was on the verge of getting fired well before Melo was a Knick.

That's just wrong. The team was rebuilding and playing very well with just STAT, et al.

We were 30-26 at the time we traded for Melo. Our record that season after getting Melo was 12-14.

HarthorneWingo · Post #69 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:51 pm

When you hire Mike D'Antoni you know you're going to be running a PG oriented offense with a lot of 3-point shooting. Everything was going in the right direction until we got another shiny object in Melo and got rid of Felton who was at that time playing at an All Star level. As a matter of fact, a large number of people believed he should've made the All Star team for the East.

Melo got MDA fired because he didn't want to buy into that system either.

Bill Pidto · Post #70 » by **Bill Pidto** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:36 pm

Of course we misread him and treated him too harshly. That's what "we" do.

Melo and D'Antoni was a horrible match. But didn't have to be.

Melo is basically Marbury 2.0 at this point. A lot of differences of course, but some glaring similarities:

Supremely talented, supposed to be the team's best player and leader, can't lead, cant defend, can't be coached to adjust game, can't win. Team stuck in rut with them.

It is what it is.

Marty McFly · Post #71 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:39 pm

thank donnie walsh for not doing enough to get d'ant the horses he needed.

Billy Goat · Post #72 » by **Billy Goat** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:40 pm

Bill Pidto wrote:Of course we misread him and treated him too harshly. That's what "we" do.

Melo and D'Antoni was a horrible match. But didn't have to be.

Melo is basically Marbury 2.0 at this point. A lot of differences of course, but some glaring similarities:

Supremely talented, supposed to be the team's best player and leader, can't lead, cant defend, can't be coached to adjust game, can't win. Team stuck in rut with them.

It is what it is.

The Knicks, for whatever reason under Dolan have always overvalued PPG when building a team. They've also ignored everything else when filling out a roster.

Greenie · Post #73 » by **Greenie** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:42 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Knicks93 wrote:Don't think we misread, we thought he was a good coach. Melo just refused to change for his system, same thing with Phil and the triangle now. We chose Melo over Mike

Once again with this.

Mike was here before Melo.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni never coached Melo for a full 82 game season. Stop this nonsense. Mike was on the verge of getting fired well before Melo was a Knick.

That's just wrong. The team was rebuilding and playing very well with just STAT, et al.

We were 30-26 at the time we traded for Melo. Our record that season after getting Melo was 12-14.

Your point?

That team was supposed to be a top team in the east after the summer of 2010 and still they were average at best.

That's why they went and got Melo, to help push them into that lane. **** ended up going left though with our highest paid player constantly injured and the front office thinking a center was more important than a PG.

Greenie · Post #74 » by **Greenie** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:44 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:When you hire Mike D'Antoni you know you're going to be running a PG oriented offense with a lot of 3-point shooting. Everything was going in the right direction until we got another shiny object in Melo and got rid of Felton who was at that time playing at an All Star level. As a matter of fact, a large number of people believed he should've made the All Star team for the East.

Melo got MDA fired because he didn't want to buy into that system either.

Felton fell off. That's why he didn't make the damn all-star game.

Let's not have revisionist history right now.

Greenie · Post #75 » by **Greenie** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:45 pm

Melo must have been in LA too.

Sark · Post #76 » by **Sark** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:47 pm

I hated MDA as coach. Melo getting him "fired" was one of the best things Melo did.

3toheadmelo · Post #77 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:48 pm

Fuq Mike d'anphony

Bill Pidto · Post #78 » by **Bill Pidto** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:54 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
Bill Pidto wrote:Of course we misread him and treated him too harshly. That's what "we" do.

Melo and D'Antoni was a horrible match. But didn't have to be.

Melo is basically Marbury 2.0 at this point. A lot of differences of course, but some glaring similarities:

Supremely talented, supposed to be the team's best player and leader, can't lead, cant defend, can't be coached to adjust game, can't win. Team stuck in rut with them.

It is what it is.

The Knicks, for whatever reason under Dolan have always overvalued PPG when building a team. They've also ignored everything else when filling out a roster.

Until Phil came along.

JBreezeNY · Post #79 » by **JBreezeNY** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:58 pm

I love how Pringles is being treated as a saint and not the guy who had sh*tty timeout management, sh*tty sub patterns & trying to force Melo into being a spot up shooter/point forward hybrid.

Bill, Wingo I respect your opinions but I dunno how you two don't get it. You can't force talent into a system, you either adapt to the player or build a system that combines your talent & his talent. You two are looking past that and just saying well Mike was here before Melo & Melo is stuck in his ways when Melo has excelled in a halfcourt system, a up-tempo system, deferred to Jason Smith & Quincy Acy and begrudgingly went along with Mike's system.

And Mike still refused to adapt to Melo.

And you two don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Mike is a great offensive coach but that is where it ends, let's not rewrite history because Houston is playing well.

Bill Pidto · Post #80 » by **Bill Pidto** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:59 pm

Greenie wrote:Melo must have been in LA too.

Nah, but Dwight was. Another fake star who can't lead or play winning bball.

Orlando was an exception. It was before all the money and fame went to his head, before he battled injuries, and that team was built perfectly around him and was still never championship caliber. Outside of the Celtics, the east was pathetic.

And that Lakers team had more problems than just Dwight and his injuries and personality. Old ass, injured ass Nash. Aging Kobe who hated Dwight. And what else?

Coaches do need a good team to win with. Doesn't mean they suck as coaches when they can't win with a poorly assembled team, and it doesn't mean they get no credit when they win with great talent.

Mike D obviously doesn't suck