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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#881 » by earthmansurfer » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:00 am

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Capn'O wrote:(Proposed) $2.1 million for Rose. How the mighty have fallen...

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on the other hand, that's still a LOT of money

True, but in 2017, DRose earned $21.32 M. He's being offered LESS than 10% of what he earned last year. LESS than half of what we're paying Burgundy.

I know he may be taking less in the hope he improves from his knee surgery and he wants a chance to play with Lebron, but jeez, this is over a 90% pay cut. That's got to hurt!


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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#882 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:23 pm

Capn'O wrote:(Proposed) $2.1 million for Rose. How the mighty have fallen...

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on the other hand, that's still a LOT of money


On the plus side, I hear it's the league's first 3-Way deal.
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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#883 » by knicks85 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Crabbe to BK for nichollson
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Post#884 » by Dave4585 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:12 pm

knicks85 wrote:Crabbe to BK for nichollson


Yup, maybe they making room for Anderson.
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Post#885 » by Hemispheres » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:50 pm

Sean Marks is so overrated. Crabbes contract is every bit as bad as THJrs if not worse.
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Post#886 » by Priggy Smalls » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:11 pm

Hemispheres wrote:Sean Marks is so overrated. Crabbes contract is every bit as bad as THJrs if not worse.

it's worse and by a pretty good margin too.

sean marks the genius tho. such a spurs move and all that nonsense.
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Post#887 » by Juggynaut » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:51 pm

Crabbe is garbage, but he does fit Brooklyn's 3 point spamming system. I would have rather just keep or stretch Nicholson myself but at least they are trying to improve this season to not give the Celtics a better pick.
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Post#888 » by nykinoz » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:49 pm

I'd like to get Ian Clark on this roster pronto.
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Post#889 » by spaceballer » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:15 am

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Hemispheres wrote:Sean Marks is so overrated. Crabbes contract is every bit as bad as THJrs if not worse.

it's worse and by a pretty good margin too.

sean marks the genius tho. such a spurs move and all that nonsense.

After offsetting the Nicholson money (a sunk cost that the Nets were already paid a 1st rounder from the Wiz to eat), they are effectively paying Crabbe about 37M over 3yr.
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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#890 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:22 am

Brandon Knight blew out his knee. Phew.
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Post#891 » by Priggy Smalls » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:28 am

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Priggy Smalls wrote:
Hemispheres wrote:Sean Marks is so overrated. Crabbes contract is every bit as bad as THJrs if not worse.

it's worse and by a pretty good margin too.

sean marks the genius tho. such a spurs move and all that nonsense.

After offsetting the Nicholson money (a sunk cost that the Nets were already paid a 1st rounder from the Wiz to eat), they are effectively paying Crabbe about 37M over 3yr.

so a lottery protected first to pay a guy that was 363rd in the league in RPM 56 million over the next three years.

great.
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Post#892 » by spaceballer » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:47 am

Priggy Smalls wrote:
spaceballer wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:it's worse and by a pretty good margin too.

sean marks the genius tho. such a spurs move and all that nonsense.

After offsetting the Nicholson money (a sunk cost that the Nets were already paid a 1st rounder from the Wiz to eat), they are effectively paying Crabbe about 37M over 3yr.

so a lottery protected first to pay a guy that was 363rd in the league in RPM 56 million over the next three years.

great.

They need the 3pt shooting. Last season, the Nets were amongst the top of the league in 3pt attempts per game, alongside elite teams in the league, despite not hitting them at a good rate. They are building the foundation and putting a system in place, and now they need 3pt shooters who can actually convert better.

Top 5 teams last season in 3pt attempts: Rockets, Cavs, Celtics, Nets, Warriors.

One of the above is not like the others.

Crabbe's 3pt shooting should fit well in the modern offensive system that they are building.

And I think most fans here would be thrilled if the Knicks could get a 1st rounder for paying THJ his contract.
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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#893 » by Icandoallthings » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:57 am

spaceballer wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:
Hemispheres wrote:Sean Marks is so overrated. Crabbes contract is every bit as bad as THJrs if not worse.

it's worse and by a pretty good margin too.

sean marks the genius tho. such a spurs move and all that nonsense.

After offsetting the Nicholson money (a sunk cost that the Nets were already paid a 1st rounder from the Wiz to eat), they are effectively paying Crabbe about 37M over 3yr.


It's all about the spin job $18 million per year for 2 years + PO for the third.
Can be viewed as a possible 2 years 24 million in new money deal.
But their GM really seems to want this guy on the team not sure I get it other than they really want to make a playoff run in the weak East. Crabbe also legit wanted to be there since he waved his trade kicker. Really this is an opportunity cost type of deal.
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Post#894 » by Priggy Smalls » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:00 am

spaceballer wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:
spaceballer wrote:After offsetting the Nicholson money (a sunk cost that the Nets were already paid a 1st rounder from the Wiz to eat), they are effectively paying Crabbe about 37M over 3yr.

so a lottery protected first to pay a guy that was 363rd in the league in RPM 56 million over the next three years.

great.

They need the 3pt shooting. Last season, the Nets were amongst the top of the league in 3pt attempts, alongside elite teams in the league, despite not hitting them at a good rate. They are building the foundations and putting a system in place, now they just need 3pt shooters who can actually convert better.

Top 5 teams last season in 3pt attempts: Rockets, Cavs, Celtics, Nets, Warriors.

One of the above is not like the others.

Crabbe's 3pt shooting should fit well in the modern offensive system that they are building.

And I think most fans here would be thrilled if the Knicks could get a 1st rounder for paying THJ his contract.

hardaway is actually a productive basketball player so yeah they're not comparable, don't bother trying to.

you can pluck guys up off the street if hitting threes and running the floor is the only thing you care about. bill walker still needs a job.
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Post#895 » by aq_ua » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:12 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Brandon Knight blew out his knee. Phew.

He heard he might be traded to the Knicks, grabbed a large wooden club, looked down at his knee...looked at the phone...looked down at his knee...
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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#896 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:27 am

aq_ua wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Brandon Knight blew out his knee. Phew.

He heard he might be traded to the Knicks, grabbed a large wooden club, looked down at his knee...looked at the phone...looked down at his knee...


Ha, the feeling was mutual.
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Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#897 » by Paradise » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:13 am

Priggy Smalls wrote:
spaceballer wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:so a lottery protected first to pay a guy that was 363rd in the league in RPM 56 million over the next three years.

great.

They need the 3pt shooting. Last season, the Nets were amongst the top of the league in 3pt attempts, alongside elite teams in the league, despite not hitting them at a good rate. They are building the foundations and putting a system in place, now they just need 3pt shooters who can actually convert better.

Top 5 teams last season in 3pt attempts: Rockets, Cavs, Celtics, Nets, Warriors.

One of the above is not like the others.

Crabbe's 3pt shooting should fit well in the modern offensive system that they are building.

And I think most fans here would be thrilled if the Knicks could get a 1st rounder for paying THJ his contract.

hardaway is actually a productive basketball player so yeah they're not comparable, don't bother trying to.

you can pluck guys up off the street if hitting threes and running the floor is the only thing you care about. bill walker still needs a job.

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Re: Around the NBA - Offseason Dregs Edition 

Post#898 » by Capn'O » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:37 am

IMO they are very similarly ranked players. I wasn't a huge fan of the Hardaway signing or the Crabbe trade for Jersey.

Both will probably surpass previous production points though.
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Post#899 » by Priggy Smalls » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:35 am

Paradise wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:
spaceballer wrote:They need the 3pt shooting. Last season, the Nets were amongst the top of the league in 3pt attempts, alongside elite teams in the league, despite not hitting them at a good rate. They are building the foundations and putting a system in place, now they just need 3pt shooters who can actually convert better.

Top 5 teams last season in 3pt attempts: Rockets, Cavs, Celtics, Nets, Warriors.

One of the above is not like the others.

Crabbe's 3pt shooting should fit well in the modern offensive system that they are building.

And I think most fans here would be thrilled if the Knicks could get a 1st rounder for paying THJ his contract.

hardaway is actually a productive basketball player so yeah they're not comparable, don't bother trying to.

you can pluck guys up off the street if hitting threes and running the floor is the only thing you care about. bill walker still needs a job.

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you're really comparing young players using their career numbers?

hardaway sucked and turned himself into the 15th ranked shooting guard in rpm. crabbe spent the last two years being the same player and was 73rd last year.
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Post#900 » by Worst_to_First » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:51 am

Priggy Smalls wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Priggy Smalls wrote:hardaway is actually a productive basketball player so yeah they're not comparable, don't bother trying to.

you can pluck guys up off the street if hitting threes and running the floor is the only thing you care about. bill walker still needs a job.

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you're really comparing young players using their career numbers?

hardaway sucked and turned himself into the 15th ranked shooting guard in rpm. crabbe spent the last two years being the same player and was 73rd last year.


I get you but still think we overpaid for Timmy. Would have rathered developed Dotson or see if Frank can be honed into a playmaking and sharpshooting wing.

I have a feeling we will regret not having that extra cap space for potential trades.

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