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[shtolky]

We don't have DSJ and never will so I'm over it.

In fact, I'm beginning to dislike DSJ more and more as he gets overhyped and Frank gets underrated.

Frank will unquestionably pan out into a solid NBA player.

How can a player who hasn't played a minute of summer league be underrated? We literally have no idea what he is or what he will become. Look at another international player in Dante Exum. He came with a lot of hype and was just ok even before he blew out his knee.

If he wasn't a Knick and DSJ was you would be saying that anyone who didn't think DSJ was that good was a hater. Most of this board would. You guys need to be unbiased in your assessment of players.

DSJ had a really good summer league. So he is getting hyped. Good for him. In the long run it might not mean anything and he might just be another in the long list of guys who did well in summer league and crap in the regular season. Or he might not.

Frank we have 0 clue what he will or won't be.

What does Frank not playing in summer league have anything to do with whether or not he's underrated or overrated? I think at this point an argument can be made that Frank is being slightly underrated, at least by his peers. To not have him receive a single vote for best defensive rookie is sort of silly given what we have seen of him already. Yes, some will say well Frank played in a crap league. Still a league with better players than DSJ played against. That's not even really up for debate. And Frank CLEARLY excels defensively. Arguably the best defensive guard in the entire draft. We also have no idea what any of these rookies will be, despite their summer league performances. I know I don't have to post the summer league stats of Adam Morrison, Kris Dunn, etc to prove that point.

DSJ also didn't really have that great a summer league overall, at least when compared to others who really put up monster stats. 45% from the field, 4 apg for a PG...meh. But he dunks well. Objectively, seemingly based on a few good summer league games, DSJ's hype has risen when it isn't really warranted, just like Frank's has died down (not that there was any hype to begin with). Both are silly. You seem to realize that we can't properly rate any of these guys right now, but the survey is clearly underrating him by not even mentioning him. That's fine though, these rookie surveys are notoriously inaccurate (see Kris Dunn, Stanley Johnson, Doug McDermott, Ben McCelmore, etc.).

[Greenie]

We don't have DSJ and never will so I'm over it.

In fact, I'm beginning to dislike DSJ more and more as he gets overhyped and Frank gets underrated.

Frank will unquestionably pan out into a solid NBA player.

Why?
We could have taken him.

[Knicksfan1992]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

[Dr. Detfink]

Eye of the Tiger, Frank...Eye of the tiger.

[TankCommander17]

We don't have DSJ and never will so I'm over it.

In fact, I'm beginning to dislike DSJ more and more as he gets overhyped and Frank gets underrated.

Frank will unquestionably pan out into a solid NBA player.

How can a player who hasn't played a minute of summer league be underrated? We literally have no idea what he is or what he will become. Look at another international player in Dante Exum. He came with a lot of hype and was just ok even before he blew out his knee.

If he wasn't a Knick and DSJ was you would be saying that anyone who didn't think DSJ was that good was a hater. Most of this board would. You guys need to be unbiased in your assessment of players.

DSJ had a really good summer league. So he is getting hyped. Good for him. In the long run it might not mean anything and he might just be another in the long list of guys who did well in summer league and crap in the regular season. Or he might not.

Frank we have 0 clue what he will or won't be.

What does Frank not playing in summer league have anything to do with whether or not he's underrated or overrated? I think at this point an argument can be made that Frank is being slightly underrated, at least by his peers. To not have him receive a single vote for best defensive rookie is sort of silly given what we have seen of him already. Yes, some will say well Frank played in a crap league. Still a league with better players than DSJ played against. That's not even really up for debate. And Frank CLEARLY excels defensively. Arguably the best defensive guard in the entire draft. We also have no idea what any of these rookies will be, despite their summer league performances. I know I don't have to post the summer league stats of Adam Morrison, Kris Dunn, etc to prove that point.

DSJ also didn't really have that great a summer league overall, at least when compared to others who really put up monster stats. 45% from the field, 4 apg for a PG...meh. But he dunks well. Objectively, seemingly based on a few good summer league games, DSJ's hype has risen when it isn't really warranted, just like Frank's has died down (not that there was any hype to begin with). Both are silly. You seem to realize that we can't properly rate any of these guys right now, but the survey is clearly underrating him by not even mentioning him. That's fine though, these rookie surveys are notoriously inaccurate (see Kris Dunn, Stanley Johnson, Doug McDermott, Ben McCelmore, etc.).

Because most players and people in this country don't really care to watch international basketball. So they know next to nothing about Frank. Or because even those who did watch and scouted him had him as the 4th or 5th best available guard in the draft. Why on earth would anyone give rookie of the year votes to a prospect they haven't seen play against american competition and which was seen as the 4th or 5th best guard in the draft? How are you guys mad about that?

Also why is he the best defensive guard in the draft? Based on what stats in the league he will be playing with? Because he did it in Europe against lesser competition?

Again he COULD end up being a defensive beast. We all hope so. But we don't know yet. You guys are mad just because he wears a Knicks jersey. Take the homer glasses off and be objective for once.

[TankCommander17]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

Exactly! Well said.

[magnumt]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

Probably because everyone and the media put down Frank while putting up the DSJ pick.

--Mags

[3toheadmelo]

Frank is going to be compared to Smith for the years to come

They both play the same positions and was both picked right next to each other.

Dallas fans are going to compare Smith to Frank as well.

It's just how it is

[Greenie]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

Probably because everyone and the media put down Frank while putting up the DSJ pick.

--Mags

That's on Phil.
Smith was on the board and we passed.

Oh well.

[2010]

i believe kp got more respect from his rookie class then frank did and thats because kp could gone as high as number 2 pick after towns and he was a known product . Kp did good in workouts but frank didn't do any workouts because of his season in france took for ever. I think some of rookies in his class wanted to play in nyc and are kind of butt hurt they got passed on because of him going to nyc and they are not playing here.

KP barely got any more respect than Frank even though he was more hyped and drafted higher. Mudiay and Hezonja actually got more love than KP. Stanley Johnson got more love too for some reason.

So did Willie Caulie-Stein and garbage ass Justise Winslow.

[BKlutch]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

As you point out, there is no real need to compare Frank to DSJ and knock DSJ in order to boost Frank.

But that's ignoring that many fans worry we picked Frank instead of DSJ, and worry we'll look like losers once again it DSJ turns out to be better. This kind of emotional thinking is not healthy and it isn't even good for the team, if the front office does this too.

In the real world, they may turn out to be different style players. They could each be good in their own right. We may not even really know how this will turn out for several years. But it's a complicated matter whether we picked the guy who will fulfill our needs, or if we should have picked the other one. So the discussions will continue.

[fatalogic]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

As you point out, there is no real need to compare Frank to DSJ and knock DSJ in order to boost Frank.

But that's ignoring that many fans worry we picked Frank instead of DSJ, and worry we'll look like losers once again it DSJ turns out to be better. This kind of emotional thinking is not healthy and it isn't even good for the team, if the front office does this too.

In the real world, they may turn out to be different style players. They could each be good in their own right. We may not even really know how this will turn out for several years. But it's a complicated matter whether we picked the guy who will fulfill our needs, or if we should have picked the other one. So the discussions will continue.

One thing I hate about NY media is if Frank does turn out better, they will never say the Knicks dodged a bullet by drafting frank over DSJ. However if DSJ is better than Frank, they will drone on and on about it for months. It's not fair to the players.

[Isiahthomass]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

As you point out, there is no real need to compare Frank to DSJ and knock DSJ in order to boost Frank.

But that's ignoring that many fans worry we picked Frank instead of DSJ, and worry we'll look like losers once again it DSJ turns out to be better. This kind of emotional thinking is not healthy and it isn't even good for the team, if the front office does this too.

In the real world, they may turn out to be different style players. They could each be good in their own right. We may not even really know how this will turn out for several years. But it's a complicated matter whether we picked the guy who will fulfill our needs, or if we should have picked the other one. So the discussions will continue.

We all know DSJ is gonna turn out to be Westbrook 2.0 and Frank will be back in Europe in 2 years because Knicks gonna Knick.

[GONYK]

I don't get why everyone feels the need to knock DSJ when talking about Frank. They both can be great players. Let them live. Who cares if DSJ has the hype. He's earned it between his play in summer league, some great games in college against top comp., and showing out in High School. Both Frank and DSJ can be great players in their own right. As most people who frequented the Draft Thread know, next to Lonzo, DSJ was my favorite prospect in this draft but, there's no point in comparing him to Frank now and honestly probably not for the next few years. So let's just hope that Frank turns out to be awesome and that we don't have to worry about what DSJ is doing..

As you point out, there is no real need to compare Frank to DSJ and knock DSJ in order to boost Frank.

But that's ignoring that many fans worry we picked Frank instead of DSJ, and worry we'll look like losers once again it DSJ turns out to be better. This kind of emotional thinking is not healthy and it isn't even good for the team, if the front office does this too.

In the real world, they may turn out to be different style players. They could each be good in their own right. We may not even really know how this will turn out for several years. But it's a complicated matter whether we picked the guy who will fulfill our needs, or if we should have picked the other one. So the discussions will continue.

We all know DSJ is gonna turn out to be Westbrook 2.0 and Frank will be back in Europe in 2 years because Knicks gonna Knick.

[DE FENSE]

Frank is the real Unicorn out there now because he's almost a myth. Nobody has ever seen him play (at least everybody but us and France).

He's more like a pegasus with that wing span...

That could stick if he's any good. I like it! Unicorn....Pegasus...What's WHG? Minotaur? Centaur?

I don't think Billy gets the mythical beast treatment. Hey, 2 out of 3 aint bad

[robillionaire]

most of this board wanted Frank before the draft, based on our polls, but we let the media narrative take over

[Jalen Bluntson]

He's more like a pegasus with that wing span...

That could stick if he's any good. I like it! Unicorn....Pegasus...What's WHG? Minotaur? Centaur?

I don't think Billy gets the mythical beast treatment. Hey, 2 out of 3 aint bad

He was a 2nd rd pick. Steal of the draft basically. That deserves a mythical creature nickname!

[BKlutch]

That could stick if he's any good. I like it! Unicorn....Pegasus...What's WHG? Minotaur? Centaur?

I don't think Billy gets the mythical beast treatment. Hey, 2 out of 3 aint bad

He was a 2nd rd pick. Steal of the draft basically. That deserves a mythical creature nickname!

These days, any player who works out well for us is a mythical creature.

[Hemispheres]

most of this board wanted Frank before the draft, based on our polls, but we let the media narrative take over

Unfortunately it's the people who yell the loudest that leave the greatest impression. I wanted Frank and would have taken him 10/10 times over DSJr.

Of course Dennis could end up being the better player, but based on the type of player they are it was a no brainer for me. I have little interest in high usage, score first point guards who don't put effort in on defense.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't think Billy gets the mythical beast treatment. Hey, 2 out of 3 aint bad

He was a 2nd rd pick. Steal of the draft basically. That deserves a mythical creature nickname!

These days, any player who works out well for us is a mythical creature.

We've had plenty that we traded away over the years. They work out for other teams.

Hopefully we get to keep these kids and add more. We NEVER do that.