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i might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

BeagleBoss wrote:I hope I'm dead wrong but Ntilikina looks very mediocre and average. He has the body but talent wise, he just doesn't do anything great. Maybe he can develope into an Avery Bradley type but it'll take time. He could barely get by, finish and score over scrubs in that awful league.

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I hope you are wrong too. Remember, KP put up pedestrian numbers before we drafted him.

Are We Ther Yet wrote:When we took KP everyone was all about Okafor Russel Stanley Johnson Winslow etc. Now we take Frank and people are all about DSJr Monk etc.

Let it play out. I like everything i see from this kid so far. Time will tell the true story. I'm excited to see what the kids can do this year.

This part is the problem. You wrote "I like everything I see form this kid so far." The problem is, he didn't play in Summer League and he's not playing Euro Basket, so nobody is seeing him. So they worry.

CMFGB recommended him and I take that over any SL performance by Big Shoes Bawler or anybody else.

BKlutch wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:When we took KP everyone was all about Okafor Russel Stanley Johnson Winslow etc. Now we take Frank and people are all about DSJr Monk etc.

Let it play out. I like everything i see from this kid so far. Time will tell the true story. I'm excited to see what the kids can do this y6ear.

This part is the problem. You wrote "I like everything I see form this kid so far." The problem is, he didn't play in Summer League and he's not playing Euro Basket, so nobody is seeing him. So they worry.

CMFGB recommended him and I take that over any SL performance by Big Shoes Bawler or anybody else.

You do realize that I am speaking from what I have personally seen right? There's plenty of video. Links to his Euro games were available. Workouts. Interviews. There is enough to like. If people are too lazy to research the kid...they should limit their opinions shouldn't they? I did my work. I like what i see so far.

What's with you today. Picking my posts apart and not even comprehending them.

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

BKlutch wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:When we took KP everyone was all about Okafor Russel Stanley Johnson Winslow etc. Now we take Frank and people are all about DSJr Monk etc.

Let it play out. I like everything i see from this kid so far. Time will tell the true story. I'm excited to see what the kids can do this y6ear.

This part is the problem. You wrote "I like everything I see form this kid so far." The problem is, he didn't play in Summer League and he's not playing Euro Basket, so nobody is seeing him. So they worry.

CMFGB recommended him and I take that over any SL performance by Big Shoes Bawler or anybody else.

You do realize that I am speaking from what I have personally seen right? There's plenty of video. Links to his Euro games were available. Workouts. Interviews. There is enough to like. If people are too lazy to research the kid...they should limit their opinions shouldn't they? I did my work. I like what i see so far.

What's with you today. Picking my posts apart and not even comprehending them.

I also love Frank because I also saw lots of video and think we're going to be very happy with him. I wasn't trying to pick apart what you wrote here - I was actually trying to say that other folks didn't see him play, so they can't like him. Maybe my post wasn't written clearly enough.

SL is the only ball lots of folks have watched since the playoffs, so naturally, anything they saw there sticks in their minds. That means they love DSJ and Lonzo Shoe Bawler.

But SL is a real carnival with no defense and little team identity, so it doesn't mean as much to me as the actual playoffs in which Frank elevated his team beyond what was expected of them.

blanko wrote:i might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

That would be great. If he can be a solid passer, great defender that knocks down open shots I'd be happy already. I think knick fans will be content with Frank. I have a good feeling about this kid.

blanko wrote:I might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

BKlutch wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

BKlutch wrote:This part is the problem. You wrote "I like everything I see form this kid so far." The problem is, he didn't play in Summer League and he's not playing Euro Basket, so nobody is seeing him. So they worry.

CMFGB recommended him and I take that over any SL performance by Big Shoes Bawler or anybody else.

You do realize that I am speaking from what I have personally seen right? There's plenty of video. Links to his Euro games were available. Workouts. Interviews. There is enough to like. If people are too lazy to research the kid...they should limit their opinions shouldn't they? I did my work. I like what i see so far.

What's with you today. Picking my posts apart and not even comprehending them.

I also love Frank because I also saw lots of video and think we're going to be very happy with him. I wasn't trying to pick apart what you wrote here - I was actually trying to say that other folks didn't see him play, so they can't like him. Maybe my post wasn't written clearly enough.

SL is the only ball lots of folks have watched since the playoffs, so naturally, anything they saw there sticks in their minds. That means they love DSJ and Lonzo Shoe Bawler.

But SL is a real carnival with no defense and little team identity, so it doesn't mean as much to me as the actual playoffs in which Frank elevated his team beyond what was expected of them.

Ahh..ok. Yes. I agree 100%.

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

BKlutch wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
You do realize that I am speaking from what I have personally seen right? There's plenty of video. Links to his Euro games were available. Workouts. Interviews. There is enough to like. If people are too lazy to research the kid...they should limit their opinions shouldn't they? I did my work. I like what i see so far.

What's with you today. Picking my posts apart and not even comprehending them.

I also love Frank because I also saw lots of video and think we're going to be very happy with him. I wasn't trying to pick apart what you wrote here - I was actually trying to say that other folks didn't see him play, so they can't like him. Maybe my post wasn't written clearly enough.

SL is the only ball lots of folks have watched since the playoffs, so naturally, anything they saw there sticks in their minds. That means they love DSJ and Lonzo Shoe Bawler.

But SL is a real carnival with no defense and little team identity, so it doesn't mean as much to me as the actual playoffs in which Frank elevated his team beyond what was expected of them.

Ahh..ok. Yes. I agree 100%.

By the way, has anybody ever answered the question posed in your avi? Because to me, I think we still have a long way to go.

BKlutch wrote:

Are We Ther Yet wrote:

BKlutch wrote:I also love Frank because I also saw lots of video and think we're going to be very happy with him. I wasn't trying to pick apart what you wrote here - I was actually trying to say that other folks didn't see him play, so they can't like him. Maybe my post wasn't written clearly enough.

SL is the only ball lots of folks have watched since the playoffs, so naturally, anything they saw there sticks in their minds. That means they love DSJ and Lonzo Shoe Bawler.

But SL is a real carnival with no defense and little team identity, so it doesn't mean as much to me as the actual playoffs in which Frank elevated his team beyond what was expected of them.

Ahh..ok. Yes. I agree 100%.

By the way, has anybody ever answered the question posed in your avi? Because to me, I think we still have a long way to go.

Yes. It is a microcosm of the joys of being a Knicks fan. We are on our way. It seems. This should be the beginning of the journey but...in typical Knicks fashion...nothing can go smoothly.

We are not there yet!

BKlutch wrote:

blanko wrote:I might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

magnumt wrote:

BKlutch wrote:

blanko wrote:I might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

Haha yes, of course, but not having a total mental collapse has to be considered part of being a great guard for us. We've just had all the bad luck. Physically talented players break down physically, or emotionally, but the result is the same.

Which category did Eddy Curry fit into? both?

BKlutch wrote:

magnumt wrote:

BKlutch wrote:I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

Haha yes, of course, but not having a total mental collapse has to be considered part of being a great guard for us. We've just had all the bad luck. Physically talented players break down physically, or emotionally, but the result is the same.

Which category did Eddy Curry fit into? both?

Curry was a great low post scorer, but he didn't give a damn about basketball (ala Darko).

--Mags

magnumt wrote:

BKlutch wrote:

magnumt wrote:


Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

Haha yes, of course, but not having a total mental collapse has to be considered part of being a great guard for us. We've just had all the bad luck. Physically talented players break down physically, or emotionally, but the result is the same.

Which category did Eddy Curry fit into? both?

Curry was a great low post scorer, but he didn't give a damn about basketball (ala Darko).

--Mags

He took the money and told us all to fuq off - that's why guys don't pay a ho until they're finished.

magnumt wrote:

BKlutch wrote:

blanko wrote:I might be wrong but i think he is a mix of chauncey and gary payton

I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

I think you're being serious, in which case I strongly Agree. Marbury was a lot of bad.

But on the court he was mostly good to great and spent his Knicks career surrounded by mostly trash.

DLTGWH wrote:

magnumt wrote:

BKlutch wrote:I can't think of any point guards we've had in recent decades who were anywhere near that good.

Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

I think you're being serious, in which case I strongly Agree. Marbury was a lot of bad.

But on the court he was mostly good to great and spent his Knicks career surrounded by mostly trash.

I was being serious. He was a very good PG for us.

KP and Marbury would've been SPECIAL!

--Mags

magnumt wrote:

DLTGWH wrote:

magnumt wrote:


Marbury might've gone batsh*t nuts, but he was fuqn AMAZING as our PG! He could score, pass, and rebound while playing good defense.

--Mags

I think you're being serious, in which case I strongly Agree. Marbury was a lot of bad.

But on the court he was mostly good to great and spent his Knicks career surrounded by mostly trash.

I was being serious. He was a very good PG for us.

KP and Marbury would've been SPECIAL!

--Mags

For me was Marbury and Stoudamire. What could have been...

Marbury's demise is still among the oddest things I experienced as a knick fan. Just crazy to think what type of player he was and what became of him later on. So sad.

BeagleBoss wrote:I hope I'm dead wrong but Ntilikina looks very mediocre and average. He has the body but talent wise, he just doesn't do anything great. Maybe he can develope into an Avery Bradley type but it'll take time. He could barely get by, finish and score over scrubs in that awful league.

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i think you've secretly been my favorite on this board