Disgruntled wrote: shtolky wrote:
Of course I am disgruntled. How can you not be disgruntled if you have followed the Knicks for 25 years? It is sickening to have an idiot like Steve Mills be FOBO after all the terrible years I went through as a knick fan. A guy that on his first day as FOBO shells out 23mill. for Baker and Hardaway. An idiot that ties up an all-star level salary to two players with a mediocre ceiling. It's just plain idiot and sets the franchise back for another 3 years. Then he goes out and adds a guy that made a terrible job in Orlando...a guy that just tied Orlando to two contracts that many consider among the top 10 worst in the league (Fournier and Biyombo).....tell me what is positive right now?
July 7, 2016
ORLANDO – The Orlando Magic have signed free agent center Bismack Biyombo (bis-MOCK bee-OM-bo), General Manager Rob Hennigan announced today. Per team policy, terms of the deal are not disclosed.
See that name above...that's was the GM in Orlando when Biyombo was signed. Also, even if you assume Perry was the guy to blame, you conveniently then forget to list his accomplishments in Detroit where they...you know, won a title. Can't cherry pick just to serve your argument. If he sucked in Orlando, he was amazing in Detroit (and had a very good offseason by all accounts in Sacramento).
Also, if you think that 2nd half THJ wouldn't be worth 17m a year, you didn't actually watch him play last year, it's as simple as that. Not saying he will be that, but that type of production is worth 17m in today's NBA.
So we can say the Jury is still out on Perry.
You are rationalizing this signing in order to feel better about it. If that was the case, shouldn't the Hawks have retained him? His home team, the Hawks, clearly thought he is nowhere worth that contract. That's why they didn't match. Prior to free agency the Hawks announced that they intend to match any offer and keep Hardaway. Heck , in general, teams tend to match offers for their RFA even if they slightly overpay. The fact that the Hawks choose to not match Hardaway and didn't even take the full 48hours to notify the Knicks should tell you what they thought about that offer. The team that traded for Hardaway, giving up a first round pick, then developed him into a solid bench player, then announced that they want to keep him around refused to match a contract that you are saying is reasonable.
Let me be very clear about this: Outside some knick fans, who are either trying to rationalize this terrible signing or really believe in Hardaway's ability to make a huge improvement, no one else believes that this contract was anywhere near reasonable. In fact if you read around the league, almost all articles and analysts were baffled by this signing. The Knicks have been called "nuts" , "idiots" for dealing out an insane contract to a bench player. If what you think or say about Hardaway held any truth to it, then Hardaway would be wearing a Hawks uniform next season.
Sure the jury is still out as far as him being GM, but you can't blame him for the Orlando situation without giving him praise for Detroit and Sacramento.
I'm not rationalizing the signing. You didn't read what I said. I said IF he produced how he did in the 2nd half of last year, with the scoring output and stellar percentages along with improved defense, then yes, that type of production is worth 17m in today's NBA. As far as the Hawks retaining him, that's way too simple an argument. Had we offered less money, they probably retain him. I doubt they wanted to spend 70m each on Bazemore and THJ, and they are rebuilding even more than we are.
Again, the contract cannot be considered a bust or not because he hasn't played a second for us yet. As I said in my last post, if you think his production in the 2nd half isn't worth 17m per, you haven't been watching the league over the past few years.
As far as listening to articles and analysis, well that's laughable. If we were to listen to articles, and free agent analysis, and draft analysis, we all would have thought KP would be horrible, that scores of guys in the league would be average or just above average instead of stars. Many Hawks fans were actually disappointed he is off the team. A word of advice, just because the media, who loves to bash the Knicks at all costs, says things like "nuts" and "idiots" it's not always a good idea to believe that. I don't have to post more quotes about the KP pick being bashed do I? Why don't you actually wait for THJ to play an actual second of basketball before you agree with the media "experts."