SportsGuy8 wrote:CANiLIVE wrote:You guys really need to lay off the espn fox sports etc, this is disgusting. Do you not bulid a championship team tanking especially with your core in place. You try your best to play well and bring the talent out of teammates.
Tanking is a joke and no real fan would be behind a tank, you want to lose on purpose? God bless
You dudes can't be from New York talking this foolishness. Or just became a fan of the nba.
The bk nets have a better roster then the knicks and should finish close to the 8th wtf? I can't I really can't.
After what happened over the past 2 decades, Knicks have no respect in basketball circles, they're even a laughing stock. With that they're severely limited when it comes to signing possible free agents, severely limiting their options when it comes to building a championship caliber team.
With that in mind, building through the draft becomes even more important. Many fear that without getting a true game-changer, Knicks' ceiling is being a pretender for years to come.
Quite frankly, the Knicks are currently so low that supreme talent needs to be FORCED to sign. The only way to do that is via draft (or trades, but you actually need assets for that), since drafted players have no choice. That's the harsh reality right now.
The Knicks tank should not be the Philly tank. we should not just sign all terrible players, take a few flyers here and there, and sit our best players when not needed, but we should realize that this team as constructed has run its course and we need to go into a youth movement.
A high draft pick needs to be the product of pointing the franchise in the best direction. That means giving as many minutes to our young core as possible and jettisoning anyone who gets in the way of that and getting as much value for them in return as possible.
we should trade Melo, Lee, and Lance only for assets that are either extremely young or draft picks. We should not take any "veteran" players in return. Unless they are max players, a vet never plays to his contract and normally never gets any better.
I didn't like the THJ contract, but at least he still has room to grow.
We should never purposely sit our healhty players or purposely sign scrubs with no upside just for a high pick. we should however player our young corre as much as possible and sign young, hungry guys that compete. You can still be competitive and get a high draft pick.
If the Knicks move forward with a roster like, for example,
Sessions
Frank
THJ
KP
Willy
That would be best for the franchise. Play this year by getting as many mins for our young guys as possible, surround them with young, hungry defenders that will fight hard and die for a contract, and live with the results. Chances are that team will net a top 5 pick.
What we should not do is take back players like Eric Gordon or Ryan Anderson, overpaid players that are old, make us marginally better, but handicapp our finances and provide no long-term value. LONG TERM VALUE, that's the key phrase.
We need to focus on long-term value with each decision and signing. At least THJ has some of that if he's a Knicks when he's 28 putting 19/4/4 and paying passable defense, then he's a major asset. The 9th pick in teh draft has little long term value. eric Gordon has little long-term value. Ryan Anderson is a stiff white schmuck who does nothing but stand and shoot from 30 ft which equals 0 long term value for this franchise.
We need to sacrifice the short-term for the long-term. And that's going to provide us a valuable reward: a top 5 pick. Chances are the Knicks won't be better than a lot of the teams above them in this year's draft.
I fully expect:
Philly
Phoenix
Brooklyn
Los Angeles
to be much more competitive. Minnesota will also be much more competitive than they were this year.
that leaves only a few teams that I would objectively say are guaranteed to be worse than us if w trade all of our veteran players and that's Orlando and Chicago. Of course, Brooklyn is a wild card, and chances are they will be much worse than us, but they still might make some moves, bring in some vets, and try to compete. So it remains to be seen.
But that whole "building culture" stuff, needs to come after we have the talent.
I don't think a single person on this board or within the Knicks organization would ever agree that we are better off WITHOUT DONKIC, PORTER JR, BOMBA or another young high-level prospect. If you want vets back in a trade to push us to 35 wins rather than 28-30, you are insane.
we are two seasons away from striking and 3 seasons away from Porzingis's early prime. We need to accumulate assets, build young players' stock find a second star to pair with him, and prime ourselves for big free agent signing in 2020 or 2021 or a big trade in those years. The only way we can do that is to trade our vets now and get a top 5 pick this coming season. After that, we can only trend up.
