Kyrie 3 - Everything is fluid

[Jalen Bluntson]

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An F5 bomb! What trade?

[Fat]

i just want the 3 piece special frank, doncic, kp


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[Worst_to_First]

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An F5 bomb! What trade?

Josh Jackson eligible to be traded August 2. Frank is August 4. Who will it be?

[ozwizard8]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

[Sark]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

[Adelheid]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

Aside from that, rookies are cost-controlled and team-friendly and we desperately need those because of the albatrosses on the team. Not every player within the young core will be "franchise-level" some of them will be glorified role-players, or else teams will have trouble building around 3 super-max players.

[Wolfgang630]

Yes! Trade Kyrie to Phoenix so this trade talk can be over with and Knicks fans can move on.

[slacker55]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

Agreed. But I think what he means is that people talk like we can simply tank and get Porter on Doncic. But even if we benched Melo and KP for the entire season, we might end up getting the 8th pick again next year.

And while I'd rather have a top 2 pick over Kyrie, I'm not sure I'd prefer an 8th pick over Kyrie.

Because I honestly don't see anyone on this current roster carrying this team. Nor do I see us attracting any serious free agents in the foreseeable future.

[ozwizard8]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

Agreed. But I think what he means is that people talk like we can simply tank and get Porter on Doncic. But even if we benched Melo and KP for the entire season, we might end up getting the 8th pick again next year.

And while I'd rather have a top 2 pick over Kyrie, I'm not sure I'd prefer an 8th pick over Kyrie.

Because I honestly don't see anyone on this current roster carrying this team. Nor do I see us attracting any serious free agents in the foreseeable future.

To add that our FO plans to rebuild. They're not planning hard-tanking season.
They think we can develop our talent. So i dont expect benching KP or sth similar like 76ers did.
They'll encourage KP and THJR to play well. Those guys bring W's.

Personally i'd glad to see Knicks tank hard or trade top 5 protected pick+Melo+whg for Kyrie.
I just dont want this team to stay in Orlando Magic zone. I believe in 76ers plan but not Orlando's.

[WeSkrongDen]

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

Agreed. But I think what he means is that people talk like we can simply tank and get Porter on Doncic. But even if we benched Melo and KP for the entire season, we might end up getting the 8th pick again next year.

And while I'd rather have a top 2 pick over Kyrie, I'm not sure I'd prefer an 8th pick over Kyrie.

Because I honestly don't see anyone on this current roster carrying this team. Nor do I see us attracting any serious free agents in the foreseeable future.

To add that our FO plans to rebuild. They're not planning hard-tanking season.
They think we can develop our talent. So i dont expect benching KP or sth similar like 76ers did.
They'll encourage KP and THJR to play well. Those guys bring W's.

Personally i'd glad to see Knicks tank hard or trade top 5 protected pick+Melo+whg for Kyrie.
I just dont want this team to stay in Orlando Magic zone. I believe in 76ers plan but not Orlando's.

Don't think that is going to be enough. Cavs don't really value Melo very much from the reports.

[ozwizard8]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

No one knows where their pick will land. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Every player comes through the draft. It's literally the lifeblood of all NBA talent. To trade out of it because you are worried that the pick might fall to the middle is foolish.

Aside from that, rookies are cost-controlled and team-friendly and we desperately need those because of the albatrosses on the team. Not every player within the young core will be "franchise-level" some of them will be glorified role-players, or else teams will have trouble building around 3 super-max players.

If we do half-ass tanking we'll only get role players. Those role players would get max contracts too.
Even if those players arent great they'll command near max moneys like Crabbe, THJR. Otto Porter got max contract he deserved it but i would rather spend max contract on a star players.

KP would get his max in 2 years. WHG would get a near max contract like Kanter did couple years ago. Then Frank and 2018 rookie. We'll be capped out with KP+mediocre players. That team will improve slightly every year but they'll compete for late playoff seeds.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Agreed. But I think what he means is that people talk like we can simply tank and get Porter on Doncic. But even if we benched Melo and KP for the entire season, we might end up getting the 8th pick again next year.

And while I'd rather have a top 2 pick over Kyrie, I'm not sure I'd prefer an 8th pick over Kyrie.

Because I honestly don't see anyone on this current roster carrying this team. Nor do I see us attracting any serious free agents in the foreseeable future.

To add that our FO plans to rebuild. They're not planning hard-tanking season.
They think we can develop our talent. So i dont expect benching KP or sth similar like 76ers did.
They'll encourage KP and THJR to play well. Those guys bring W's.

Personally i'd glad to see Knicks tank hard or trade top 5 protected pick+Melo+whg for Kyrie.
I just dont want this team to stay in Orlando Magic zone. I believe in 76ers plan but not Orlando's.

Don't think that is going to be enough. Cavs don't really value Melo very much from the reports.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7xdxrtj

i put this in the melo thread too. assuming all outgoing picks go to cleveland, is this even possible?

knicks give a protected or future first.
houston gives a first.
portland gives a first.

[King of Canada]

Thankfully this **** feels dead to me

"Fluid" is apparently code for "not **** happening."

Fluid as in trying to grasp a drink of water with your bare hands.

[thebuzzardman]

It's a Tweet. It must be accurate and true!

[god shammgod]

You guys talkin about top 2 pick like its given.

FO dont want to tank hard. Our roster is good enough to win over 30 games. And we're not lucky.

So we'll probably get mid lottery pick.
Its value is far worse than top 3.

I'd take M.Porter over Kyrie as he'd have rookie contract but its not given like you guys saying.

Its not Kyrie vs Porter/Doncic.

yep. we'll never get picks that high. you have to plan to be that bad.

[IllmaticHandler]

I been saying think the Knicks is top 3 bad is crazy. Which is why the Bonga Brigade will Grow...

[Esq-4]

PHX does make sense. They have Bledsoe and other young pieces. We don't have that and the only young pieces we have (Frank, Willie, KP) no one wants to trade. Keeps CLE good this year with an eye towards the future, and the positions make sense as well.

Problem is, CLE almost has to stay win now because (a) it might be the last year with LBJ and (b) to convince LBJ to stay. But, if him leaving is a real threat, you have to look to the future when making trades with your biggest assets. Partially, this should mean Melo is attractive since he is a win now guy with a short contract, but it does nothing for the future and almost forces a Love trade - for better or worse.

CLE is also a bad trade partner in a multi team with Melo going to HOU because of the rumors LBJ might team up with them next year (although not sure how cap wise). LBJ has the right to take the year to decide, but with all the other uncertainty around the team it's a difficult position to be in

[mpharris36]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72sj2gl

here is the crazy 4 team trade (but I think it helps all 4 teams):

Knicks trade: Melo, Lee, KOQ
Knicks Receive: Shumpert, Dudley, Chriss, Miami 2018 1st, and HOU 2020 1st (plus NGT deals to match salary)

why - trade there vets and takes on two salaries (in shump and dudley but both expire before 2019 offseason). Gets Criss and 2 first round picks in the process.

Cavs trade: Kyrie Irving and Iman Shumpert
Cavs Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Courtney Lee, KOQ, and Dragan Bender (plus the rights to Isaiah Hartenstein)

why - turns irving into 1 good player and 2 good role players plus gets a couple international prospects for the future.

HOU trades: Ryan Anderson, 2020 pick, Isaiah Hartenstein, future 2nd round pick
HOU receives: Carmelo Anthony

why - gets Melo (pretty easy to understand why)

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, Jared Dudley, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, and MIA 2018 1st
PHX receives: Kyrie Irving, Ryan Anderson, future 2nd round pick from HOU

why - acquire Irving without having to give up Josh Jackson...gives PHX a starting lineup of Irving/Booker/Jackson/Anderson/Chandler pretty exciting team.

[KnickFan33]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72sj2gl

here is the crazy 4 team trade:

Knicks trade: Melo, Lee, KOQ
Knicks Receive: Shumpert, Dudley, Chriss, Miami 2018 1st, and HOU 2020 1st (plus NGT deals to match salary)

why - trade there vets and takes on two salaries (in shump and dudley but both expire before 2019 offseason). Gets Criss and 2 first round picks in the process.

Cavs trade: Kyrie Irving and Iman Shumpert
Cavs Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Courtney Lee, KOQ, and Dragan Bender (plus the rights to Isaiah Hartenstein)

why - turns irving into 1 good player and 2 good role players plus gets a couple international prospects for the future.

HOU trades: Ryan Anderson, 2020 pick, Isaiah Hartenstein, future 2nd round pick
HOU receives: Carmelo Anthony

why - gets Melo (pretty easy to understand why)

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, Jared Dudley, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, and MIA 2018 1st
PHX receives: Kyrie Irving, Ryan Anderson, future 2nd round pick from HOU

why - acquire Irving without having to give up Josh Jackson...gives PHX a starting lineup of Irving/Booker/Jackson/Anderson/Chandler pretty exciting team.

Just wondering... am I the only one that'd be more interested in obtaining Bledsoe over Irving if both were involved in a 3 way trade?

[Jstarks3]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72sj2gl

here is the crazy 4 team trade:

Knicks trade: Melo, Lee, KOQ
Knicks Receive: Shumpert, Dudley, Chriss, Miami 2018 1st, and HOU 2020 1st (plus NGT deals to match salary)

why - trade there vets and takes on two salaries (in shump and dudley but both expire before 2019 offseason). Gets Criss and 2 first round picks in the process.

Cavs trade: Kyrie Irving and Iman Shumpert
Cavs Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Courtney Lee, KOQ, and Dragan Bender (plus the rights to Isaiah Hartenstein)

why - turns irving into 1 good player and 2 good role players plus gets a couple international prospects for the future.

HOU trades: Ryan Anderson, 2020 pick, Isaiah Hartenstein, future 2nd round pick
HOU receives: Carmelo Anthony

why - gets Melo (pretty easy to understand why)

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, Jared Dudley, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender, and MIA 2018 1st
PHX receives: Kyrie Irving, Ryan Anderson, future 2nd round pick from HOU

why - acquire Irving without having to give up Josh Jackson...gives PHX a starting lineup of Irving/Booker/Jackson/Anderson/Chandler pretty exciting team.

Just wondering... am I the only one that'd be more interested in obtaining Bledsoe over Irving if both were involved in a 3 way trade?

yes. bledsoe has awful knee issues. potentially d-rose 2.0. irving is injury prone as well, but as more big game experience, and his game isn't predicated on athleticism.