Post#94 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 10:24 am
It's safe to say whoever ends up with Ryan's contract will get the most attractive draft assets or young salary controlled talent in the deal. Maybe Charlotte? Can we get MKG if we reroute Houston's pick there? Do we want to do that? Utah for Favors maybe? OKC for Kanter? All rather meh.
At the end of the day I think we are either taking Anderson plus some draft picks and unguaranteeds (Cam Oliver/Isiah Taylor?) or we buy Melo out.
If Scott Perry could get us a <25 year old (not named Meyers Leonard) AND a draft pick WITHOUT taking back a bad contract he will totally earn his keep here but I don't see it. There just aren't that many teams where it would make sense taking on Ryan Anderson (who's actually a valuable role player for any contender) unless they're sending out an equally bad contract.
I don't buy the Portland deal with ET and Harkless coming here stuff being real but it's one of the only deals where we kinda save face.
Harkless, who's kinda ok but really ordinary, will be billed as the young athlete that "fits into our plan and the way we want to play"
He is and he does.
But listen, and I KNOW people hate him, Evan Turner gives us something we sorely will lack without Melo here: edge. He ain't scared of nobody in the league. He's a starting caliber positionless rhythm guy that'll produce with consistent responsibility. He could make a play for his teammates from a few positions on the court and he boards well for his size. For an offense coach like Horns, ET makes the job a little easier because he knows how to run a play....and before you "UGH" remember the alternatives.
Waiving Melo actually may make the most sense if the job is to shamelessly truly tank but I don't know how they spin that all things considered. We will need a backbone even on the tank. I wouldn't hate this deal.
So possible third teams in a deal we could engage on Ryan Anderson (the third team gets a draft pick from Houston):
DET: Jon Leuer/Ish Smith? Maybe we get S.Johnson but I doubt it. But SVG doesn't seem to see him as a valuable piece so maybe.
And Ish was better for them than Reggie. And we don't want Leuer.
NOLA: Solomon Hill/Asik? Maybe we get C.Diallo who I'm high on but I doubt anyone else really is. And he alone at this point isn't worth the price of taking on those contracts from the Pels. I think he's gonna be a player but the optics on this wouldn't look good.
ORL: Biyombo/Herzonja? Biyombo and Noah would represent the worst offensive tandem at center we've probably ever seen at a combined $30 plus million for the year. Mario hasn't shown much but he's a talent and maybe Scott could get his former bosses on the jack to help us out. Or maybe they send him to voicemail. Not a good deal for us.
OKC: Kanter/Singler? I don't think they give up T-Ferg for because Kanter's expensive a$$ is actually a player with value but he totally doesn't fit what we want as "the asset" in a trade. Remember, these are the team we HOPE to send Ryno. And they are NOT parting with a young player without (perhaps more) draft picks coming back they're way just for the privilege of paying Ryan for the next three.
CHA: MKG/Jeremy Lamb? Makes sense on some levels for us and for them. I'd applaud Scott for this kinda trade. But we'd kill him for not being the one to get the draft pick in the deal as most would unfairly point to MKG's lack of offense as a comparison point between he and Melo both as small forwards. Again, the optics.
LAC: Austin Rivers/Wes Johnson? They'd probably just prefer a Courtney Lee for Austin swap; which I could see. But they'll need shooters with Milos/Bev and Blake handling more of the playmaking so maybe Ryno works here as well. Doc's boy ain't long for that team. Buy low on him, he's coming into his own.
UTAH: Favors/Alec Burks? I dont think I've seen Burks play twice in his whole career. Every time he plays my team he's hurt. Favors also isn't an NBA ironman. He's ok though. And he's an expiring. Fiscally responsible deal but uninspiring nonetheless. I'd rather take the draft pick with Ryno.
DEN: Faried/D.Arthur? I can hear Wally and Hahn lazily trying to tell us Faried plays defense after this trade like we ain't got eyes that work lol. I would want Faried if 1.we had Phil and he saw him as a new Rodman and got him to buy into it; every rebound is yours. Or 2. we really commit to running AND CONDITIONING and use him as the weapon he is in transition and on the lob; we don't know if our point guards are good enough to maximize his strengths; you need him engaged and feeling like a part of things because he's moody. And his weaknesses can't just be overlooked. I could see this happening though. We don't have a front court athlete like Faried on the roster.
His above the rim aggression and the whole "Mannimal" schtick with the dreads flying all crazy would play well here with the bread and opera tank job we're on this season. And we could talk ourselves into getting Faried in exchange for what amounts to a late round draft pick doesn't hurt any. We should know better but Faried is a tristate kid and a big time LGBT guy. That means something.
PHX: Jared Dudley/Derrick Jones Jr? It would kill me watching Jared Dudley as a Knick replacing Melo. Everything about that just feels wrong.Jones Jr is a poor man's James White. I guess you could convince me he has legit upside but all I see in a dunker. And you KNOW they're gonna try to send Tyson back to us. Nah B.
MIL: Henson/Dellie? No way we trade a pick here. It's very vanilla but it'd be a decent depth deal if we want to at least look like we want to compete some. Maybe we could even pry Rashad Vaughn from them. They'd likely want to pawn off Teletovic on us if so and I would walk away. Maybe tho...we involve Washington and they send Gortat (who was griping at season's end), Kuz and Ryno to Milwaukee, Monroe/Teletovic and Vaughn go to Washington and Henson/Dellvedova/Oubre Jr come to us. Fillers and whatever it takes to---who are we kidding?
MIN: Aldrich/Rush/Bjelica/Shabazz (sign and trade possible still if at all? Are all the new guys officially signed yet?): Thibbs needs some shooting on this team. Ryno fits here. You just know the Garden would sell Shabazz as a potential star here. He's another guy I like more than most though. And I'm going full D'Antoni with him and playing him at the four off the bench if I could. The other guys are expiring and waiver candidates. I doubt we could even sign and trade for Bazz so this is probably moot.
Watch Potato and his crew of tweeter flunkies toss around some arrangement of these trade principles in the coming days/weeks that this drags on. And let's see how creative and plugged in Scott is.
But the truth is Melo is in control because we are very much posturing and hoping something unforeseen enters into the fray changing the trajectory of talks. I personally believe they've already promised him Houston.
Theres no way you bring Melo back after all the bad blood and chance it hurts your locker room.
