OT update pg 2: North Korea sends missile over Northern Japan

[spree8]

Send Dennis Rodman in there "The Interview" style n get it over with.

[HEZI]

If we simply just stop provoking N Korea then they would have no reason to want to fire any weapons at the US. There is no reason to be scared of N Korea, they have nothing to gain by attacking the US if we just leave them alone.

[NoLayupRule]

Good thing we have such a wise and level headed commander in chief who is a student of diplomacy.

[NoLayupRule]

If we simply just stop provoking N Korea then they would have no reason to want to fire any weapons at the US. There is no reason to be scared of N Korea, they have nothing to gain by attacking the US if we just leave them alone.

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

[HEZI]

If we simply just stop provoking N Korea then they would have no reason to want to fire any weapons at the US. There is no reason to be scared of N Korea, they have nothing to gain by attacking the US if we just leave them alone.

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

If we flip that around, we could say the exact same thing about us, we use THEM as the boogie man. It's all BS if you ask me, the fact is we don't really know anything about N Korea just like they don't know anything about us, all we have is crap that they choose to feed us through the media.

Plus it's not like other countries don't have a reason to be paranoid about us, we're constantly invading other countries and destabilizing them, every country we've invaded is in a worse situation today than it was before we went in there to "fix" things. We have a current president who publicly stated "what's the point of us having all these missiles if we aren't going to use them". How about we just stop telling other countries what to do, leave them alone and focus on the problems within our own borders for a change?

I do not want to see more US soldiers lose their lives fighting another bogus war

[aq_ua]

If we simply just stop provoking N Korea then they would have no reason to want to fire any weapons at the US. There is no reason to be scared of N Korea, they have nothing to gain by attacking the US if we just leave them alone.

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

Pretty much. You have to remember North Korea's objective is not to bring its economy up to global standards or have a well educated population. It wants to control its own reality and prevent it from being influenced by external forces. It makes more sense for North Korea to prop itself up with illicit trade rather than legitimate enterprise - because the latter would introduce the possibility that the outside world isn't entirely as morally corrupt and duplicitous as the regime has taught its people to believe. There is no positive end game for North Korea where it opens up its borders and immerses itself with the rest of the world. In an ideal world, it owns enough weapons to keep outsiders away while it obtaining concessions and economic support. As strange as it seems, you have to appreciate the South Korean tactics of sending South Korean pop culture across its border, to hopefully instigate positive change from within. Super uphill battle, but you have to admire the effort.

[HEZI]

If we simply just stop provoking N Korea then they would have no reason to want to fire any weapons at the US. There is no reason to be scared of N Korea, they have nothing to gain by attacking the US if we just leave them alone.

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

Pretty much. You have to remember North Korea's objective is not to bring its economy up to global standards or have a well educated population. It wants to control its own reality and prevent it from being influenced by external forces. It makes more sense for North Korea to prop itself up with illicit trade rather than legitimate enterprise - because the latter would introduce the possibility that the outside world isn't entirely as morally corrupt and duplicitous as the regime has taught its people to believe. There is no positive end game for North Korea where it opens up its borders and immerses itself with the rest of the world. In an ideal world, it owns enough weapons to keep outsiders away while it obtaining concessions and economic support. As strange as it seems, you have to appreciate the South Korean tactics of sending South Korean pop culture across its border, to hopefully instigate positive change from within. Super uphill battle, but you have to admire the effort.

It's their country, let them do things their way in their country. Who are we to tell them how they should run things in their country? Imagine how we would feel if we had other countries threatening to invade us because they didn't like how we did things? It's their country and if they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world then let them, who cares? It's none of our business

[aq_ua]

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

Pretty much. You have to remember North Korea's objective is not to bring its economy up to global standards or have a well educated population. It wants to control its own reality and prevent it from being influenced by external forces. It makes more sense for North Korea to prop itself up with illicit trade rather than legitimate enterprise - because the latter would introduce the possibility that the outside world isn't entirely as morally corrupt and duplicitous as the regime has taught its people to believe. There is no positive end game for North Korea where it opens up its borders and immerses itself with the rest of the world. In an ideal world, it owns enough weapons to keep outsiders away while it obtaining concessions and economic support. As strange as it seems, you have to appreciate the South Korean tactics of sending South Korean pop culture across its border, to hopefully instigate positive change from within. Super uphill battle, but you have to admire the effort.

It's their country, let them do things their way in their country. Who are we to tell them how they should run things in their country? Imagine how we would feel if we had other countries threatening to invade us because they didn't like how we did things? It's their country and if they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world then let them, who cares? It's none of our business

For one thing, there is a concept of anti-nuclear proliferation whereby the world has pretty much agreed that nukes are a dangerous thing for anyone to have and we should all reduce, not increase, because it just takes a push of a button to end the world. Secondly, the illicit trade I referred to above, a big chunk of that is going to be selling the same nuclear arsenal to any buyer, including perhaps unsavory types with suicidal death wishes for the US. Let's not be naive and believe leaving North Korea alone somehow keeps the US safe from their activities.

[HEZI]

Pretty much. You have to remember North Korea's objective is not to bring its economy up to global standards or have a well educated population. It wants to control its own reality and prevent it from being influenced by external forces. It makes more sense for North Korea to prop itself up with illicit trade rather than legitimate enterprise - because the latter would introduce the possibility that the outside world isn't entirely as morally corrupt and duplicitous as the regime has taught its people to believe. There is no positive end game for North Korea where it opens up its borders and immerses itself with the rest of the world. In an ideal world, it owns enough weapons to keep outsiders away while it obtaining concessions and economic support. As strange as it seems, you have to appreciate the South Korean tactics of sending South Korean pop culture across its border, to hopefully instigate positive change from within. Super uphill battle, but you have to admire the effort.

It's their country, let them do things their way in their country. Who are we to tell them how they should run things in their country? Imagine how we would feel if we had other countries threatening to invade us because they didn't like how we did things? It's their country and if they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world then let them, who cares? It's none of our business

For one thing, there is a concept of anti-nuclear proliferation whereby the world has pretty much agreed that nukes are a dangerous thing for anyone to have and we should all reduce, not increase, because it just takes a push of a button to end the world. Secondly, the illicit trade I referred to above, a big chunk of that is going to be selling the same nuclear arsenal to any buyer, including perhaps unsavory types with suicidal death wishes for the US. Let's not be naive and believe leaving North Korea alone somehow keeps the US safe from their activities.

In the history of the world, only one country has ever used a nuclear bomb on another country

Care to guess who that was?

If we are to implement this anti-nuclear proliferation, how about we start with ourselves first. We have more nuclear bombs than any country in the world, which brings me back to my point, we are in no position to be telling other countries what they can and can't do. We don't own the world, so we can't tell other countries they can't have nuclear weapons meanwhile we own the largest collection of bombs

[aq_ua]

It's their country, let them do things their way in their country. Who are we to tell them how they should run things in their country? Imagine how we would feel if we had other countries threatening to invade us because they didn't like how we did things? It's their country and if they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world then let them, who cares? It's none of our business

For one thing, there is a concept of anti-nuclear proliferation whereby the world has pretty much agreed that nukes are a dangerous thing for anyone to have and we should all reduce, not increase, because it just takes a push of a button to end the world. Secondly, the illicit trade I referred to above, a big chunk of that is going to be selling the same nuclear arsenal to any buyer, including perhaps unsavory types with suicidal death wishes for the US. Let's not be naive and believe leaving North Korea alone somehow keeps the US safe from their activities.

In the history of the world, only one country has ever used a nuclear bomb on another country

Care to guess who that was?

If we are to implement this anti-nuclear proliferation, how about we start with ourselves first. We have more nuclear bombs than any country in the world, which brings me back to my point, we are in no position to be telling other countries what they can and can't do. We don't own the world, so we can't tell other countries they can't have nuclear weapons meanwhile we own the largest collection of bombs

Not claiming any moral high ground, but North Korea isn't the country I would trust to make the right judgement calls.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Nothing but fear porn...nothing is going to happen...

[HEZI]

For one thing, there is a concept of anti-nuclear proliferation whereby the world has pretty much agreed that nukes are a dangerous thing for anyone to have and we should all reduce, not increase, because it just takes a push of a button to end the world. Secondly, the illicit trade I referred to above, a big chunk of that is going to be selling the same nuclear arsenal to any buyer, including perhaps unsavory types with suicidal death wishes for the US. Let's not be naive and believe leaving North Korea alone somehow keeps the US safe from their activities.

In the history of the world, only one country has ever used a nuclear bomb on another country

Care to guess who that was?

If we are to implement this anti-nuclear proliferation, how about we start with ourselves first. We have more nuclear bombs than any country in the world, which brings me back to my point, we are in no position to be telling other countries what they can and can't do. We don't own the world, so we can't tell other countries they can't have nuclear weapons meanwhile we own the largest collection of bombs

Not claiming any moral high ground, but North Korea isn't the country I would trust to make the right judgement calls.

What judgement calls? If all they want is to be isolated and be left alone, what reason do they have to start sending nukes throughout the world?

See this is what I'm talking about, we are programmed to look at N Korea as the boogie man and to live in fear and paranoia so that we can have an excuse to go destabilize them like the other countries we've invaded.

N Korea is not doing shyt because if they wanted to they would have done it by now, just like Saddam Hussein wasn't doing shyt for all those years, he had opportunity after opportunity after opportunity yet he did nothing and lived into old age without ever doing anything but for years we kept hearing how he was going to do something. It's all BS, N Korea has no reason to attack anybody they just want to be left alone.

[NoLayupRule]

That's not entirely true

Within their borders we are used as the boogie man. We are their great external enemy.

They need us.

If we drop out they still use us as the great enemy

The sad truth is the Clinton administration had a deal in place to open NK up and stop their nuclear ambitions with major incentives and threats.

But the bush administration - Cheney specifically - shut that down.

And so NK presued their nuclear ambitions and now we're behind the eight ball.

Pretty much. You have to remember North Korea's objective is not to bring its economy up to global standards or have a well educated population. It wants to control its own reality and prevent it from being influenced by external forces. It makes more sense for North Korea to prop itself up with illicit trade rather than legitimate enterprise - because the latter would introduce the possibility that the outside world isn't entirely as morally corrupt and duplicitous as the regime has taught its people to believe. There is no positive end game for North Korea where it opens up its borders and immerses itself with the rest of the world. In an ideal world, it owns enough weapons to keep outsiders away while it obtaining concessions and economic support. As strange as it seems, you have to appreciate the South Korean tactics of sending South Korean pop culture across its border, to hopefully instigate positive change from within. Super uphill battle, but you have to admire the effort.

It's their country, let them do things their way in their country. Who are we to tell them how they should run things in their country? Imagine how we would feel if we had other countries threatening to invade us because they didn't like how we did things? It's their country and if they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world then let them, who cares? It's none of our business

yeah because no rogue country has ever been a problem for the US

[UcanUwill]

At least I got to see both Knicks' NBA Championships.

Honestly, I'm more worried about my neighbor from two houses down than North Korea at this moment.

Good to live in such country like USA. Imagine being stuck between Germany and Russia in the past few centuries...

[nyczlegacy]

**** guys im going to south korea next month

rip me.. cya in heaven, where the knicks have already won 4 championships in the past 6 years

[Dantares]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/asia/north-korea-fires-projectile/index.html

[Yankeeknickfan]

**** guys im going to south korea next month

rip me.. cya in heaven, where the knicks have already won 4 championships in the past 6 years

Or you'll be in hell, where... As far are you're aware nothing has changed with the Knicks.

[BKlutch]

OK, so here's the plan. We can destroy North Korea with the new secret weapon the Air Force has just developed, without any collateral damage. It's diabolical, really. We send over our best stealth bomber and drop the big one on them: Trump and Shump.

There, 3 problems solved at one time.

[Dantares]

North Korean missile passed over Japan, before falling into the sea: Japanese broadcaster NHK

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/japanese-government-warns-north-korea-missile-headed-toward-northern-japan-report-says.html

so wow threats to guam, another missile test over japan and they have their entire nuclear arsenal pointed at Seoul. I'm wondering if at some point south korea and japan will have no choice but to go nuclear.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anderscorr/2017/01/31/japan-go-nuclear-now/#3f66e58d7745

[sushibear]

I don't understand why we're supposed to just let them threaten us and others. Waiting is what got us where we are now. Eventually they'll be able to touch us. Then it might be too late. The world is fighting suicide bombers acting on behalf of a group. Yet here's an entire country talking about nuking people. And we're supposed to just let it go? It's puzzling that it's been allowed to go on this long.


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