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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#1 » by magnumt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:42 pm

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Post#2 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:55 am

I'm going to have to think about that poll before answering. I have so many daddies! :bowdown:

Assuming that we're not serious about keeping Kanter and McBuckets, what do you think we could get back for a combo of those two plus Courtney Lee at the trade deadline in 2/18? Then we could put the tank in 5th gear and go after that lottery pick.
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Post#3 » by magnumt » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:16 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:I'm going to have to think about that poll before answering. I have so many daddies! :bowdown:

Assuming that we're not serious about keeping Kanter and McBuckets, what do you think we could get back for a combo of those two plus Courtney Lee at the trade deadline in 2/18? Then we could put the tank in 5th gear and go after that lottery pick.


McBuckets they might keep as a possible cheap floor spreader. He and Kuz might make a nice SF combo.

Kanter is hard to figure out. They might just want to pump up his value some more then deal him to team in need of low post presence, he's still young too (25 IIRC), and his contract is decent. Options include:

    ▪ Detroit
    • Charlotte
    • Toronto
    • Portland
    • New Orleans
    • Golden State
    • Cleveland
    • Utah
    • Washington

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Post#4 » by KnickFan33 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:22 pm

Just a random question... What asset(s) would you be willing to give up in order to help get rid of Noah's contract?
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Post#5 » by semjazy » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:44 pm

KnickFan33 wrote:Just a random question... What asset(s) would you be willing to give up in order to help get rid of Noah's contract?

Cap space is not that valuable for us right now. We should just stick to him. It's not worth to part ways with picks or Ntilikina, just to unload him. And we don't have anything else
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Post#6 » by Marty McFly » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:18 pm

KnickFan33 wrote:Just a random question... What asset(s) would you be willing to give up in order to help get rid of Noah's contract?

nothing. you use capspace to sign someone who puts you over the top. we aren't a contender yet.
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Post#7 » by Besart19 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:08 pm

Kanter, Kuz and/or Lance, TPE

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Post#8 » by Besart19 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:49 pm

KOQ, Lance and TPE... Or KOQ and Lee for Monroe and pick also a good option to consider
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Post#9 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:28 pm

semjazy wrote:
KnickFan33 wrote:Just a random question... What asset(s) would you be willing to give up in order to help get rid of Noah's contract?

Cap space is not that valuable for us right now. We should just stick to him. It's not worth to part ways with picks or Ntilikina, just to unload him. And we don't have anything else


What about Lee and Noah?
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Post#10 » by 2010 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:05 pm

We basically need to package two of the following three guys in a 2-for-1 deal for a young small forward:

* Courtney Lee
* Kyle O'Quinn
* Lance Thomas
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PG: Ntilikina | Baker
SG: Hardaway Jr | Dotson
SF: McDermott | Kuzminskas
PF: Porzingis | Beasley
C: Hernangomez | Kanter

G-League: Kornet, Hayes, Rathan-Mayes, Burke

GTFO: Lee, O'Quinn, Thomas, Noah, Sessions, Jack :wave:
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Post#11 » by xNewYorkMadex » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:57 pm

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Post#12 » by NYG » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:22 am

2010 wrote:We basically need to package two of the following three guys in a 2-for-1 deal for a young small forward:

* Courtney Lee
* Kyle O'Quinn
* Lance Thomas


Young small forward is vague.. I'm having trouble finding a team/player where that deal makes sense.

I like taking on a bad contract and maximizing the draft pick we would get in like an Evan Turner deal. The West is tough and we could squeeze a late 2018 lottery pick in a deal like that.
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Post#13 » by semjazy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:02 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
semjazy wrote:
KnickFan33 wrote:Just a random question... What asset(s) would you be willing to give up in order to help get rid of Noah's contract?

Cap space is not that valuable for us right now. We should just stick to him. It's not worth to part ways with picks or Ntilikina, just to unload him. And we don't have anything else


What about Lee and Noah?

Lee's contract by its own is not that bad. But if you combine him with Noah, you trading two 32 years old guys, that make 30 milion $ combined over next three years, and one of them barely can play nowadays. It would be hard to find some GM crazy enough to make that deal :lol: Tbh, if I would be responsible for another team, I would't be intrested even in Noah+Hernangomez type of deal.
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Post#14 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:31 am

semjazy wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
semjazy wrote:Cap space is not that valuable for us right now. We should just stick to him. It's not worth to part ways with picks or Ntilikina, just to unload him. And we don't have anything else


What about Lee and Noah?

Lee's contract by its own is not that bad. But if you combine him with Noah, you trading two 32 years old guys, that make 30 milion $ combined over next three years, and one of them barely can play nowadays. It would be hard to find some GM crazy enough to make that deal :lol: Tbh, if I would be responsible for another team, I would't be intrested even in Noah+Hernangomez type of deal.


Yeah, it's a shame. In his interview yesterday at media day, he didn't sound very optimistic. Is there any kind of injury exception to the cap where a player has to retire due to health? Does the team get any relief?
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Post#15 » by semjazy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:00 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
semjazy wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
What about Lee and Noah?

Lee's contract by its own is not that bad. But if you combine him with Noah, you trading two 32 years old guys, that make 30 milion $ combined over next three years, and one of them barely can play nowadays. It would be hard to find some GM crazy enough to make that deal :lol: Tbh, if I would be responsible for another team, I would't be intrested even in Noah+Hernangomez type of deal.


Yeah, it's a shame. In his interview yesterday at media day, he didn't sound very optimistic. Is there any kind of injury exception to the cap where a player has to retire due to health? Does the team get any relief?


It's not that simple http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61
Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.
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Post#16 » by Besart19 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:13 am

Noah is needed as a vet this season. After this one you retire him, give his money while geting the medical exception and make him a diffensive/big man coach
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Post#17 » by NYKnicks6 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:22 am

What type of offers do you guys think Kanter and KOQ will fetch if/ when they opt out at the end of the season?
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Post#18 » by magnumt » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:42 am

NYKnicks6 wrote:What type of offers do you guys think Kanter and KOQ will fetch if/ when they opt out at the end of the season?


Depends on their production and how much MPG they get.

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Post#19 » by digitaldropoff » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:14 pm

NYKnicks6 wrote:What type of offers do you guys think Kanter and KOQ will fetch if/ when they opt out at the end of the season?


Kanter will most likely stay flat......big that can tie their shoe and have at least one strong suit are getting 15-18 with ease. Unlikely he hits to 20+ per, as he's proven he's just alright. KOQ is a bargain player right now.....I think he gets a 8-10 per offer the following offseason even if his minutes are restricted this season. Next offseason is really a terrible year for guys like Kanter to opt out, teams are lining up to pay the big fish....since there are more than just one or two. Guys like Kanter are role players, and this offseason the league wised up a lot because of how moronic they were the previous year.
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Post#20 » by Kristaps6_NYK » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:07 pm

I’m not worried about LT and KOQ winning us games.. Lee can make a big impact with his ability to shoot and defend. If we can deal him ASAP we can certainly become the top 3 worst team by far.

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