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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#401 » by Baller1234a » Fri Dec 1, 2017 11:08 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Why would they do it? Clippers will likely falter without BG and Willy doesn't fit with the team building around Blake.

Celtics own the 2019 LAC pick Lottery pritected


I see the Clippers being lottery bound for the foreseeable future. Not sure of the rules, but at what point do they have to give up their pick regardless of draft position?

If not given in 2019 it turns into 2 seconds. Maybe a deal gets structured like this.

LAC 19 1st (if not given in 2019 NYK gets a choice of the 2 seconds or BOS 1st) and DPE (NY would get a TPE) for Willy and CHI 2nd.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#402 » by KnickFan33 » Fri Dec 1, 2017 11:14 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:Celtics own the 2019 LAC pick Lottery pritected


I see the Clippers being lottery bound for the foreseeable future. Not sure of the rules, but at what point do they have to give up their pick regardless of draft position?

If not given in 2019 it turns into 2 seconds. Maybe a deal gets structured like this.

LAC 19 1st (if not given in 2019 NYK gets a choice of the 2 seconds or BOS 1st) and DPE (NY would get a TPE) for Willy and CHI 2nd.


That makes things much less appealing. Gonna have to change my stance to a no.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#403 » by Baller1234a » Fri Dec 1, 2017 11:15 pm

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I see the Clippers being lottery bound for the foreseeable future. Not sure of the rules, but at what point do they have to give up their pick regardless of draft position?

If not given in 2019 it turns into 2 seconds. Maybe a deal gets structured like this.

LAC 19 1st (if not given in 2019 NYK gets a choice of the 2 seconds or BOS 1st) and DPE (NY would get a TPE) for Willy and CHI 2nd.


That makes things much less appealing. Gonna have to change my stance to a no.

If you don’t like the 2 seconds just take BOS 18 (late first)
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#404 » by KnickFan33 » Fri Dec 1, 2017 11:26 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:If not given in 2019 it turns into 2 seconds. Maybe a deal gets structured like this.

LAC 19 1st (if not given in 2019 NYK gets a choice of the 2 seconds or BOS 1st) and DPE (NY would get a TPE) for Willy and CHI 2nd.


That makes things much less appealing. Gonna have to change my stance to a no.

If you don’t like the 2 seconds just take BOS 18 (late first)


A late first just isn't worth it. The difference between that and the Chicago 2nd isn't much. And it certainly isn't worth giving up a young, cost controlled big that has shown some promise.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#405 » by tleikheen » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:13 pm

Here's who the Knicks should be keeping a close eye on.

Dante Exum recovering from shoulder operation was looked at as pairing up with Donoven Mitchell in the Jazz back court, With Mitchell handed the PG position and Rubio backing him up ,Exum won't sign with the Jazz to play backup.
Exum has blow by speed able to get to the basket anytime he wants and at 6"6 has NBA all defense potential.

Trade Willie Hernangomez and Ron Baker for Dante Exum while Knicks can get him for cheap.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#406 » by magnumt » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:23 pm

tleikheen wrote:Here's who the Knicks should be keeping a close eye on.

Dante Exum recovering from shoulder operation was looked at as pairing up with Donoven Mitchell in the Jazz back court, With Mitchell handed the PG position and Rubio backing him up ,Exum won't sign with the Jazz to play backup.
Exum has blow by speed able to get to the basket anytime he wants and at 6"6 has NBA all defense potential.

Trade Willie Hernangomez and Ron Baker for Dante Exum while Knicks can get him for cheap.


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Post#407 » by tleikheen » Sat Dec 2, 2017 8:25 pm

Exum has way more potential than WHG will ever have. Exum will be a starter and pd. handsomely. WHG will at most be a rotational backup
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Post#408 » by KnickFan33 » Sat Dec 2, 2017 9:02 pm

tleikheen wrote:Exum has way more potential than WHG will ever have. Exum will be a starter and pd. handsomely. WHG will at most be a rotational backup


He's also an RFA at the end of the season. Are you expecting to re-sign him? If so, for how much and how long?
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#410 » by lloydj » Sat Dec 2, 2017 9:14 pm

Knicks: KOQ, Doug McDermott, Ramon Sessions and Bull's 2018 2nd rounder

Bucks: Malcolm Brogdon, DJ Wilson and Mirza Teletovic

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#411 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Dec 3, 2017 12:38 am

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tleikheen wrote:Exum has way more potential than WHG will ever have. Exum will be a starter and pd. handsomely. WHG will at most be a rotational backup


He's also an RFA at the end of the season. Are you expecting to re-sign him? If so, for how much and how long?


O'Quinn and Baker for Exum to me would be interesting. 1) gets us out of Baker's contract, and 2) gets us a look at a young point guard. After surgery I would not expect Exum to command much. Very different level player, but Curry was extended on the cheap IIRC after an ankle issue.

IMO unless we are gifted something, I don't think we should consider trades until around the deadline. We really don't know if we are buyers or sellers yet. The only exception I would make is Enes. If we can deal him for a 1st to a team that wants to make the playoffs at our expense, I'd be all for it since it is unlikely that we will be keeping him next year..
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#412 » by RiotPunch » Wed Dec 6, 2017 10:10 am

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Looking at some of these trade ideas, wondering if anything makes sense between us. We need rebounding and shooting, so a KOQ/Lee package is an intriguing one. How far off is something like:

KOQ / Lee for Teletovic / D.J. Wilson / 2nd?

Saves immediate $$$, sheds a year of Lee's deal and adds a 1st round rook & 2nd rounder to the farm. Apologies if I'm off my rocker here.


I'd definitely be open to that. But, it would need one of 3 alterations IMO:
    • Another 2nd Added. Lee & Teletovic are a wash dollars wise, but value wise NY is sending more out.
    • Swap out Teletovic for maybe Jabari Parker, and remove the 2nd. NY sheds salary and can see if Parker has anything left.
    • Find a 3rd team to upgrade the two 2nds to a late 1st.

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I would certainly add another 2nd.

Not the right type of deal to involve Jabari. His value is at it's lowest right now and he's more valuable to us than anyone else. I could, however, be open to talking Thon Maker instead of Wilson.

Not sure who we could find for that, but if we could, by all means let's do it.


Coming back for more, had an interesting thought.

MKE out: Matthew Dellavedova, Thon Maker, MKE 2nd
MKE in: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
We upgrade our center position and add wing depth/shooting.

NYK out: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
NYK in: Thon Maker, Cedi Osman, Channing Frye
Knicks get two young prospects and a nice expiring.

CLE out: Channing Frye, Cedi Osman
CLE in: Matthew Dellavedova, MKE 2nd
Cavs get LeBron's old buddy Delly and a future pick without giving too much.

Thought that this was a better deal for your Knicks than my previous. Can obviously swap out Maker for Wilson, take whoever you are higher on, but rather than Telly and a 2nd you get another promising youngster is Osman while saving money quicker with Frye coming off the books. All depends on whether Cleveland would want Delly back bad enough. At this point I think they'd rather roll with IT/Delly and cut Rose than rely on Rose at all.
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Should the Knicks pursue trade for Jordan Clarkson? 

Post#413 » by meetbishop » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:21 pm

It sounds like the Lakers are ready to deal Jordan Clarkson. Should the Knicks pursue him?

I believe he is the rebuilding point guard the Knicks are looking for. Will be a very good starter for the current Knicks team and his defense has improved tremendously. In a good system he is capable of being a 20ppg player.
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Re: Should the Knicks pursue trade for Jordan Clarkson? 

Post#414 » by 2010 » Wed Dec 6, 2017 6:24 pm

He's not a PG.
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Post#415 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 6, 2017 7:19 pm

meetbishop wrote:It sounds like the Lakers are ready to deal Jordan Clarkson. Should the Knicks pursue him?

I believe he is the rebuilding point guard the Knicks are looking for. Will be a very good starter for the current Knicks team and his defense has improved tremendously. In a good system he is capable of being a 20ppg player.

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#416 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:32 pm

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I'd definitely be open to that. But, it would need one of 3 alterations IMO:
    • Another 2nd Added. Lee & Teletovic are a wash dollars wise, but value wise NY is sending more out.
    • Swap out Teletovic for maybe Jabari Parker, and remove the 2nd. NY sheds salary and can see if Parker has anything left.
    • Find a 3rd team to upgrade the two 2nds to a late 1st.

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I would certainly add another 2nd.

Not the right type of deal to involve Jabari. His value is at it's lowest right now and he's more valuable to us than anyone else. I could, however, be open to talking Thon Maker instead of Wilson.

Not sure who we could find for that, but if we could, by all means let's do it.


Coming back for more, had an interesting thought.

MKE out: Matthew Dellavedova, Thon Maker, MKE 2nd
MKE in: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
We upgrade our center position and add wing depth/shooting.

NYK out: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
NYK in: Thon Maker, Cedi Osman, Channing Frye
Knicks get two young prospects and a nice expiring.

CLE out: Channing Frye, Cedi Osman
CLE in: Matthew Dellavedova, MKE 2nd
Cavs get LeBron's old buddy Delly and a future pick without giving too much.

Thought that this was a better deal for your Knicks than my previous. Can obviously swap out Maker for Wilson, take whoever you are higher on, but rather than Telly and a 2nd you get another promising youngster is Osman while saving money quicker with Frye coming off the books. All depends on whether Cleveland would want Delly back bad enough. At this point I think they'd rather roll with IT/Delly and cut Rose than rely on Rose at all.


Immediate yes from the Knicks if they’re smart.

You guys are ready to give up on Maker?
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#417 » by RiotPunch » Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:37 pm

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RiotPunch wrote:I would certainly add another 2nd.

Not the right type of deal to involve Jabari. His value is at it's lowest right now and he's more valuable to us than anyone else. I could, however, be open to talking Thon Maker instead of Wilson.

Not sure who we could find for that, but if we could, by all means let's do it.


Coming back for more, had an interesting thought.

MKE out: Matthew Dellavedova, Thon Maker, MKE 2nd
MKE in: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
We upgrade our center position and add wing depth/shooting.

NYK out: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
NYK in: Thon Maker, Cedi Osman, Channing Frye
Knicks get two young prospects and a nice expiring.

CLE out: Channing Frye, Cedi Osman
CLE in: Matthew Dellavedova, MKE 2nd
Cavs get LeBron's old buddy Delly and a future pick without giving too much.

Thought that this was a better deal for your Knicks than my previous. Can obviously swap out Maker for Wilson, take whoever you are higher on, but rather than Telly and a 2nd you get another promising youngster is Osman while saving money quicker with Frye coming off the books. All depends on whether Cleveland would want Delly back bad enough. At this point I think they'd rather roll with IT/Delly and cut Rose than rely on Rose at all.


Immediate yes from the Knicks if they’re smart.

You guys are ready to give up on Maker?

I just don't think we have time to wait on him. He's getting abused right now as our backup center. We're ready to compete NOW, so a KOQ/Henson center rotation is much better for us. Not to mention Lee helps shore up our weak bench.

Thon will show flashes like he did last year in the Playoffs, but most of the time he looks to me (and a lot of Bucks fans) that he doesn't belong in the NBA. However, he's a 3&D 7-footer if he pans out which is very valuable. A Maker/Zinger tandem if he hits would be unguardable.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#418 » by magnumt » Wed Dec 6, 2017 9:32 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
magnumt wrote:
I'd definitely be open to that. But, it would need one of 3 alterations IMO:
    • Another 2nd Added. Lee & Teletovic are a wash dollars wise, but value wise NY is sending more out.
    • Swap out Teletovic for maybe Jabari Parker, and remove the 2nd. NY sheds salary and can see if Parker has anything left.
    • Find a 3rd team to upgrade the two 2nds to a late 1st.

--Mags :beer:

I would certainly add another 2nd.

Not the right type of deal to involve Jabari. His value is at it's lowest right now and he's more valuable to us than anyone else. I could, however, be open to talking Thon Maker instead of Wilson.

Not sure who we could find for that, but if we could, by all means let's do it.


Coming back for more, had an interesting thought.

MKE out: Matthew Dellavedova, Thon Maker, MKE 2nd
MKE in: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
We upgrade our center position and add wing depth/shooting.

NYK out: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
NYK in: Thon Maker, Cedi Osman, Channing Frye
Knicks get two young prospects and a nice expiring.

CLE out: Channing Frye, Cedi Osman
CLE in: Matthew Dellavedova, MKE 2nd
Cavs get LeBron's old buddy Delly and a future pick without giving too much.

Thought that this was a better deal for your Knicks than my previous. Can obviously swap out Maker for Wilson, take whoever you are higher on, but rather than Telly and a 2nd you get another promising youngster is Osman while saving money quicker with Frye coming off the books. All depends on whether Cleveland would want Delly back bad enough. At this point I think they'd rather roll with IT/Delly and cut Rose than rely on Rose at all.


I'd sign up for that. We can then route WillyG to someone for a Lottery pick.

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#419 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 6, 2017 9:36 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Coming back for more, had an interesting thought.

MKE out: Matthew Dellavedova, Thon Maker, MKE 2nd
MKE in: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
We upgrade our center position and add wing depth/shooting.

NYK out: Kyle O'Quinn, Courtney Lee
NYK in: Thon Maker, Cedi Osman, Channing Frye
Knicks get two young prospects and a nice expiring.

CLE out: Channing Frye, Cedi Osman
CLE in: Matthew Dellavedova, MKE 2nd
Cavs get LeBron's old buddy Delly and a future pick without giving too much.

Thought that this was a better deal for your Knicks than my previous. Can obviously swap out Maker for Wilson, take whoever you are higher on, but rather than Telly and a 2nd you get another promising youngster is Osman while saving money quicker with Frye coming off the books. All depends on whether Cleveland would want Delly back bad enough. At this point I think they'd rather roll with IT/Delly and cut Rose than rely on Rose at all.


Immediate yes from the Knicks if they’re smart.

You guys are ready to give up on Maker?

I just don't think we have time to wait on him. He's getting abused right now as our backup center. We're ready to compete NOW, so a KOQ/Henson center rotation is much better for us. Not to mention Lee helps shore up our weak bench.

Thon will show flashes like he did last year in the Playoffs, but most of the time he looks to me (and a lot of Bucks fans) that he doesn't belong in the NBA. However, he's a 3&D 7-footer if he pans out which is very valuable. A Maker/Zinger tandem if he hits would be unguardable.


Gotcha. The Knicks are at the beginning of their rebuild so we can give him the opportunity and time to develop. At least that’s what we should do, who knows what vets we’d play over him.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#420 » by Besart19 » Thu Dec 7, 2017 12:12 am

KOQ, Beasley and Lee for Jabari Parker.

Willy and Sessions for Jahlil Okafor.

Kanter/Okafor/Noah
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