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CharlesOakley wrote:Shumpert shouldn't be in the league at all at this point. I've never seen a player regress below his rookie season before.

blueNorange wrote:

Capn'O wrote:

blueNorange wrote:1. he got banned from college campus
2. he called the girl and apologized for what he did, saying it's not right. nobody should go through what she did and he doesn't wish it on his own mother/sister
3. he put himself in anger management classes
4. the other student is pretty much black balled from the nba because he raped another girl when he transferred to another college.

Seems pretty clear from what I've read that he did something out of consensual bounds to that woman. Don't 2&3 suggest he's aware of it and taking steps to take responsibility and move on? I've had female partners women do things to me that would be considered sexual assault (and has been called such by therapists). I wish they would have called me and granted me half the respect he did there. The woman dropped it and while the other player involved has shown a serial pattern in the behavior there is nothing to suggest Dotson has. We have a player that **** up, bigtime. We can acknowledge that and move on ourselves.

Further, I don't see the point of bringing all this up in a thread evaluating his basketball ability other than to derail and rile people up.

the point i'm getting to is, the public has no idea who dotson is ... the more recognition he gets, the more his ugly past comes back to haunt him.

you don't just rape someone and live the rest of your life normal, it'll alway come back again.

reub wrote:

blueNorange wrote:

Capn'O wrote:
Seems pretty clear from what I've read that he did something out of consensual bounds to that woman. Don't 2&3 suggest he's aware of it and taking steps to take responsibility and move on? I've had female partners women do things to me that would be considered sexual assault (and has been called such by therapists). I wish they would have called me and granted me half the respect he did there. The woman dropped it and while the other player involved has shown a serial pattern in the behavior there is nothing to suggest Dotson has. We have a player that **** up, bigtime. We can acknowledge that and move on ourselves.

Further, I don't see the point of bringing all this up in a thread evaluating his basketball ability other than to derail and rile people up.

the point i'm getting to is, the public has no idea who dotson is ... the more recognition he gets, the more his ugly past comes back to haunt him.

you don't just rape someone and live the rest of your life normal, it'll alway come back again.

What about your ugly present?

blueNorange wrote:the only player you can compare dotson to is other players that raped a drunk girl.

so derrick rose?

Capn'O wrote:

blueNorange wrote:

Capn'O wrote:
Seems pretty clear from what I've read that he did something out of consensual bounds to that woman. Don't 2&3 suggest he's aware of it and taking steps to take responsibility and move on? I've had female partners women do things to me that would be considered sexual assault (and has been called such by therapists). I wish they would have called me and granted me half the respect he did there. The woman dropped it and while the other player involved has shown a serial pattern in the behavior there is nothing to suggest Dotson has. We have a player that **** up, bigtime. We can acknowledge that and move on ourselves.

Further, I don't see the point of bringing all this up in a thread evaluating his basketball ability other than to derail and rile people up.

the point i'm getting to is, the public has no idea who dotson is ... the more recognition he gets, the more his ugly past comes back to haunt him.

you don't just rape someone and live the rest of your life normal, it'll alway come back again.

So we do what? Yell at him on a message board and don't acknowledge any other factor of his life? Shame him in public? I don't think that's particularly constructive and could potentially be counterproductive.

The question I would have is whether he will be required to attend DV counseling per NBA policy. That would be appropriate, imo.

blueNorange wrote:

camillepd wrote:

blueNorange wrote:the only player you can compare dotson to is other players that raped a drunk girl.

so derrick rose?

So you have going him guilty even though he was never charged with anything. Nice.

sure he was never charged but there was enough evidence that

1. he got banned from college campus
2. he called the girl and apologized for what he did, saying it's not right. nobody should go through what she did and he doesn't wish it on his own mother/sister
3. he put himself in anger management classes
4. the other student is pretty much black balled from the nba because he raped another girl when he transferred to another college.

open your eyes, men not being charged is part of the problem. they always get away with it. harvey weinstein made a career getting away with it, same with bill cosby. that dude from game of thrones is under heat because he said it's cool playing a guy that rapes beautiful women on the show"

Ntili-killa wrote:

blueNorange wrote:

camillepd wrote:So you have going him guilty even though he was never charged with anything. Nice.

sure he was never charged but there was enough evidence that

1. he got banned from college campus
2. he called the girl and apologized for what he did, saying it's not right. nobody should go through what she did and he doesn't wish it on his own mother/sister
3. he put himself in anger management classes
4. the other student is pretty much black balled from the nba because he raped another girl when he transferred to another college.

open your eyes, men not being charged is part of the problem. they always get away with it. harvey weinstein made a career getting away with it, same with bill cosby. that dude from game of thrones is under heat because he said it's cool playing a guy that rapes beautiful women on the show"

Quite a few good points here. Dots needs to be on a community watchlist at a minimum, in jail as a maximum. Depends on how egregious his crime was. We don't know how bad it was but we do know he is guilty through his actions which followed.

Ntili-killa wrote:

blueNorange wrote:

camillepd wrote:So you have going him guilty even though he was never charged with anything. Nice.

sure he was never charged but there was enough evidence that

1. he got banned from college campus
2. he called the girl and apologized for what he did, saying it's not right. nobody should go through what she did and he doesn't wish it on his own mother/sister
3. he put himself in anger management classes
4. the other student is pretty much black balled from the nba because he raped another girl when he transferred to another college.

open your eyes, men not being charged is part of the problem. they always get away with it. harvey weinstein made a career getting away with it, same with bill cosby. that dude from game of thrones is under heat because he said it's cool playing a guy that rapes beautiful women on the show"

Quite a few good points here. Dots needs to be on a community watchlist at a minimum, in jail as a maximum. Depends on how egregious his crime was. We don't know how bad it was but we do know he is guilty through his actions which followed.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Kampuchea wrote:Sucks to know he's like Shumpert, was hoping he had a higher offense ceiling. Maybe he gets dropped for Burke

He absolutely has a higher offensive ceiling and i'm pretty sure when that comparison was made they were only thinking about the defensive side of the ball cause the kid already has a great stroke from 3 point land which Shump can only dream of.

Knickstape1214 wrote:Hello, Kampuchea. Couldn't wait another hour until the 12 hours were up, huh?

Damyean Dotson | New York Knicks | SG

Player type: 3-and-D off-guard | Pick: No. 44

Dotson emerged as a popular sleeper prospect among scouts and executives after winning Portsmouth Invitational Tournament MVP and impressing throughout the pre-draft process. The University of Houston standout answered lingering questions about his dismissal from Oregon in team interviews and eventually signed a three-year guaranteed deal with the Knicks.

Last season, Dotson made more 3s than any 2017 draftee (108) and did so at an impressive 44.3 percent clip. He shoots off movement, has excellent rise on his jumper, flashes good athleticism in space, rebounds his position and makes basic reads out of ball screens. Standing 6-foot-5½ with a 6-foot-9 wingspan, a solid frame and great feet, Dotson can guard both point guards and shooting guards adequately, which allows him to fit in a variety of lineups. Tim Hardaway Jr. (and his $71 million deal) will eat up minutes at the 2 -- and Dotson is a bit redundant to Courtney Lee -- but the rookie guard brings young legs, defensive toughness and proven shot-making to a Knicks franchise that could use more young pieces to get excited about.

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Capn'O wrote:

blueNorange wrote:1. he got banned from college campus
2. he called the girl and apologized for what he did, saying it's not right. nobody should go through what she did and he doesn't wish it on his own mother/sister
3. he put himself in anger management classes
4. the other student is pretty much black balled from the nba because he raped another girl when he transferred to another college.

Seems pretty clear from what I've read that he did something out of consensual bounds to that woman. At the very least. Don't 2&3 suggest he's aware of it and taking steps to take responsibility and move on? I've had female partners do things to me that would be considered sexual assault (and have been called such by therapists). I wish they would have called me and granted me half the respect he did there. The woman dropped it and while the other player involved has shown a serial pattern in the behavior there is nothing to suggest Dotson has. We have a player that **** up, bigtime. We can acknowledge that and move on ourselves.

Further, I don't see the point of bringing all this up in a thread evaluating his basketball ability other than to derail and rile people up.

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outside of being super impressed with dotson the only slight negative I see in his game is he does have a "slower" release. But I don't really see that being too big of an issue outside of having people close out on him quickly before getting the shot off. But he seems to be a good enough shooter to overcome that.