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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20760672/global-nbarank-ranking-nba-top-25-players-born-united-states

alessandrux wrote:For anyone not willing to click the link, the list:

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Nikola Jokic
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Kyrie Irving
6. Marc Gasol
7. Joel Embiid
8. Al Horford
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Steven Adams
11. Goran Dragic
12. Ricky Rubio
13. Danilo Gallinari
14. Andrew Wiggins
15. Nicolas Batum
16. Patty Mills
17. Serge Ibaka
18. Clint Capela
19. Tristan Thompson
20. Gorgui Dieng
21. Pau Gasol
22. Ben Simmons
23. Nikola Mirotic
24. Dennis Schröder
25. Dirk Nowitzki

--Mags

That's a good list. We can argue positions, but I think Gobert is close to or at his ceiling, while Jikic and KP are both improving. Greek Freak is also going to improve, and everybody is saying he'll be the new best in the NBA one day. I think they will have to play a few more years until we can really know. But no matter where KP ranks in this list, I'm going to keep on rooting for him to take us are far as we can go.

How's Jokic looked so far this season? Better than KP?

I'll always take the player that's above average on both sides of the court over the player that's dominant on only one.

magnumt wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20760672/global-nbarank-ranking-nba-top-25-players-born-united-states

alessandrux wrote:For anyone not willing to click the link, the list:

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Nikola Jokic
4. Kristaps Porzingis
5. Kyrie Irving
6. Marc Gasol
7. Joel Embiid
8. Al Horford
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Steven Adams
11. Goran Dragic
12. Ricky Rubio
13. Danilo Gallinari
14. Andrew Wiggins
15. Nicolas Batum
16. Patty Mills
17. Serge Ibaka
18. Clint Capela
19. Tristan Thompson
20. Gorgui Dieng
21. Pau Gasol
22. Ben Simmons
23. Nikola Mirotic
24. Dennis Schröder
25. Dirk Nowitzki

--Mags

Is this based on long-term rankings?... Because, there's no way in hell that he's better than Marc Gasol or Kyrie right now...

I get Kyrie was born in Australia but the dude is not an International Player. He left Australia at like 2 years old.

KP is going to show a lot of folks he's on the same level or better than Embid & Jokic. KAT too if he doesn't pick up his defense.

After Giannis it's very close between a lot of the guys in the next tier. Becomes more of a personal preference as to what skill set you want over any major talent differential.

alessandrux wrote:For anyone not willing to click the link, the list:

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Kristaps Porzingis
3. Rudy Gobert
4. Nikola Jokic
5. Kyrie Irving
6. Marc Gasol
7. Joel Embiid
8. Al Horford
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Steven Adams
11. Goran Dragic
12. Ricky Rubio
13. Danilo Gallinari
14. Andrew Wiggins
15. Nicolas Batum
16. Patty Mills
17. Serge Ibaka
18. Clint Capela
19. Tristan Thompson
20. Gorgui Dieng
21. Pau Gasol
22. Ben Simmons
23. Nikola Mirotic
24. Dennis Schröder
25. Dirk Nowitzki

Fixed.

Danilo at 13 ? Nothing against him, he’s solid and a starter quality player but 13 seems a little too high for him.

Anyway, decent ranking

How is Irving an international player? He is American who was born outside of the USA, because his American parents worked outside of the USA for a while, that doesn't make you international. Kobe lived in Italy longer than Irving did in Australia.

gavran wrote:How is Irving an international player? He is American who was born outside of the USA, because his American parents worked outside of the USA for a while, that doesn't make you international. Kobe lived in Italy longer than Irving did in Australia.

'cause ESPN

Irving doesn't belong on that list and Nurkic shouldn't be ahead of Adams and Dragic.

wiggins should be higher

Marc and Embiid are better than KP. Dragic is debatable.

I don't really get the evaluation of the list. Is this purely a ranking on how the players are performing currently? Also, we're just merely highlighting players based on where they are born, but that doesn't mean they're "international" players. If you're an army brat, you could be born in Germany, but immediately move to Florida or some other state. Also, some of these "international" players didn't even play competitive basketball in the country they are born.

With that said:

1) Kyrie should be off the list
2) Controversial, but I'd take Horford off the list. He spent his entire HS basketball career here and played college in Florida
3) Move Embiid down until he plays 82 total games in the NBA. Nurkic should be moved below Adams.
4) Mills is too high
5) I'd argue Gasol and Schroder are too low
6) I know Tony Parker's hurt, but if Dirk is on the list, Tony should be too

Marc gasol should be #2

And isn't the raptors bigman a international player

BKlutch wrote:That's a good list. We can argue positions, but I think Gobert is close to or at his ceiling, while Jikic and KP are both improving. Greek Freak is also going to improve, and everybody is saying he'll be the new best in the NBA one day. I think they will have to play a few more years until we can really know. But no matter where KP ranks in this list, I'm going to keep on rooting for him to take us are far as we can go.

this list is god awful.

Phish Tank wrote:I don't really get the evaluation of the list. Is this purely a ranking on how the players are performing currently? Also, we're just merely highlighting players based on where they are born, but that doesn't mean they're "international" players. If you're an army brat, you could be born in Germany, but immediately move to Florida or some other state. Also, some of these "international" players didn't even play competitive basketball in the country they are born.

With that said:

1) Kyrie should be off the list
2) Controversial, but I'd take Horford off the list. He spent his entire HS basketball career here and played college in Florida
3) Move Embiid down until he plays 82 total games in the NBA. Nurkic should be moved below Adams.
4) Mills is too high
5) I'd argue Gasol and Schroder are too low
6) I know Tony Parker's hurt, but if Dirk is on the list, Tony should be too

Nah.
Horford plays for Dominican Republic.
Dirk > Parker

KP is better than Joke and Gobert