Preliminary Look At +/-: Why Kanter Needs To Be Benched

[E-Balla]

Kanter is making things easier out there for KP. The numbers are what they are, but I wouldn't want KP having to do that dirty work in the paint like Kanter does. He doesn't protect his space well, but if that shot is missed I trust Kanter to battle for that board. And on offense dude is a load for the opponent to handle.

We have 3 centers on the team that do the same things. One if them made the all rookie team for it. You have the worst memory we went through this last year with you defending Noah over Willy.

[E-Balla]

Isn't it known that NBA.com has much more accurate on/off splits? Wouldn't it be more prudent to use those? Not that i'm disputing what you're saying, I happen to agree, but showcasing Kanter a little bit helps us move him so it's whatever to me. What I'm confused by are the Baker inactives unless he's actually hurt. With the way we're playing defense now by blitzing everything he would only help...

No NBA.com calculates there's different from everyone else so the raw numbers are different but the net on/off is the same.

Wow according to NBA.com we're 10 points better offensively per 100 possessions without Kanter and 7 points better defensively. It's early but that isn't a good sign... We're also 8 points better offensively with Baker which again confuses me why he's racking up DNP's smh

Bruh that's literally what I just posted. -17.1 with Kanter out there.

And @ everyone saying what they think as I say in the game thread every night as I'm hoping Kanter blows a knee out like Noah did, y'all blind if you think he's not trash. If the numbers said different I'd change up but instead they tell us he's as bad as Sessions and Lance in terms of negatively affecting our record. For example:

What I like about Kanter is he helps the Knicks stay in the game early. Feel like he gets about 3 buckets every first quarter. At this point I like him as a starter. Plus his offensive rebounding has been crucial.

He does but we'd score those 3 buckets plus more (while giving up less on D) with him on the sideline.

[Polk377]

Kanter also happens to have a PER of 25 right now and an average PER of 23 the last 4 seasons. He is great at what he does which is score at will in the post and attack the boards. Through 6 games he is only averaging 25 mins a game which is more than enough for him to have an impact. Having the option of interchanging Kanter and Noah for offense and defense will be huge when Noah is back.

[ctorres]

If Kanter was playing 32 mpg, I would get the cause for concern.

At 25 mpg, I assume he helps more than he hurts the team.

[NBA Fan 1234]

If Kanter was playing 32 mpg, I would get the cause for concern.

At 25 mpg, I assume he helps more than he hurts the team.

If he helped the team more than he hurt the team, the stats wouldn't paint the picture they did.

[E-Balla]

eye test for me is 3 straight wins for the Knicks ...been along time for that to happen

I mean 11 months isn't that long...

[PeoplesChamp]

Kanter is doing just fine. Melo fans need to get over it.

[Priggy Smalls]

i wonder what willy did to get glued to the bench like this cause someone in the organization has to be aware of how useless kanter is.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Kanter is doing just fine. Melo fans need to get over it.

...what?

[E-Balla]

Kanter also happens to have a PER of 25 right now and an average PER of 23 the last 4 seasons. He is great at what he does which is score at will in the post and attack the boards. Through 6 games he is only averaging 25 mins a game which is more than enough for him to have an impact. Having the option of interchanging Kanter and Noah for offense and defense will be huge when Noah is back.

Oh god you can't be serious...

[bleedblue3303]

Why not continue to showcase kanter etc. to hopefully trade them for assets


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[NBA Fan 1234]

Why not continue to showcase kanter etc. to hopefully trade them for assets


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If he were a different player, there'd be a reason to showcase him...but, as things stand, he's the exact same player he was with OKC and Utah - rebounds and scores in the paint, but doesn't pass or defend.

[ITGM]

Re: Preliminary Look At +/-: Why Kanter Needs To Be Benched

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[dakomish23]

Kanter is doing just fine. Melo fans need to get over it.

...what?

These dudes really think people hate on Kanter because he's what we got back for Melo?





They must think because they're pathetic enough to bring up Melo every time a positive play happens or that they want to see him fail even though he's not on the Knicks, everyone must be this petty.

[Kampuchea]

Kanter is doing just fine. Melo fans need to get over it.

Get over what? I can’t say Kancer sucks and isn’t part of our future because I’m a Melo fan? Has nothing to do with the other.

[ctorres]

If Kanter was playing 32 mpg, I would get the cause for concern.

At 25 mpg, I assume he helps more than he hurts the team.

If he helped the team more than he hurt the team, the stats wouldn't paint the picture they did.

So what do we do from here?

Do we have anyone we can contact with close ties to the Knicks organization?

How can we get Kanter benched until he can be traded?

If the argument is now settled that Kanter's play significantly hurts the entire team more than it helps, then as a forum we should start figuring out ways to have Kanter completely removed from the team.

[Garbagelo]

There are many fascinating dynamics at the center position right now that honestly will have major implications moving forward.

1) Kanter's player option
2) KOQ's player option
3) Willy being benched may affect KP's opinion on a future with the Knicks
4) Joakim Noah
5) KP may be our best center after all when it's all said and done.
6) 2018 draft boasts multiple outstanding centers at slots we have potential to draft

Right now as I see, there is really no right or wrong answer no matter who we play.

Just too many things for the organization to consider.

In my opinion, both KOQ and Kanter should be traded ASAP to maximize the value of our assets and open more avenues for us going forward.

[E-Balla]

Re: Preliminary Look At +/-: Why Kanter Needs To Be Benched

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Bruh honestly... Noah might've been better than this... That hurt to say too y'all know how much I hated Noah but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as Kanter overall. Kanter without Westbrook struggles to play at even an acceptable level...

[br7knicks]

the eye test tells me that Kanter really helps KP get his shots

so does KOQ but Kanters offensive ability inside keeps a defender honest


then again with the unicorn nothing stops him

i see the same thing. that's why i think you build a team from the inside out (PG + C). having a player that can create offense down low, and require attention, opens up other players.


his defensive woes are tough to stomach, but he played good defense in the first half last night - staying on his man, keeping him in front, and rotating to help.


the effort and hustle is there for him, just not the IQ and awareness, which is really important.

[ChaosHamster]

+/- after 6 games is terrible evaluation tool.