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Will be posting some thoughts shortly...
So...about that game...full analysis here - https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2017/11/02/knicks-vs-houston-kanter-kp-dot-and-frank-analysis/ Preview below.
KOQ looked good, Willy played with no effort, KP floated in and out (but looked physical at times), Dougie still looks good on offense...
I'm going to be posting a full game analysis on KANTER, PORZINGIS, DOTSON, and FRANK at thefrontofficeeye.com (my new site - player evals, game analysis, draft scouts, etc) tomorrow, but I'm posting the Frank / Dotson stuff here for a little taste (ignore typos - I'll fix before I publish). Also, just a warning, but it's LONG.
Frank Ntilkina
- first defense possession forced harden right - stopped him from driving
- switched onto LRMAM
- first one back on defense when houston runs break - stops nene and hits him at the FT line to stop momentum and the rim run
- allowed harden to get strong hand drive on secondary break; didn’t get position quick enough to draw charge (harden had the extended elbow)
- endless wingspan leads to harden turnover
- beautiful hesitation @:50 leading to pass to KOQ (should have reverse pivoted to center, but KOQ lifted pivot foot and traveled)
- perfect closeout on tucker @:40
- handoff from dougie, nene under screen, frank no hesitation with the jumper at the end of the quarter
- disrupted drive from EG by reaching a bit - stayed close enough to defender to make sure kickoff wasn’t possible but came in enough to help
- pressures LRMAM right after crossing half-court…that wingspan is so long
- catch and shoot three on secondary break, no hesitation, missed but great shot
- rotated out to EG, forced kickoff to rhino (made 3)
- entry pass to beasley, went to screen away but might have had the room to cut …I’d like to see him fake the screen and cut HARD to the basket
- PNR with Beas, got Rhino on him, passed instead of trying to attack
- took rhino off dribble, didn’t beat him, got rhino under basket, came back to side he drove from, threw up layup and missed - badly forced shot that time
- got over screen from rhino while guarding EG, but beasley switched allowing them to drive and kick for three
- single-handedly stopped secondary break - stayed perfect position between rhino (and EG?) - deflection, houston ball
- gets over screen, rhino cuts on KP with KP fouling (see above) - great defense from frank, though. kept EG from floater @10ft
- screen at top, frank hedges in - ball doesn’t come to his side, but he’s watching ball but staying in great position on defense. splitting court in half. defensive IQ is insane
- comes in to help on drive, gets back out to EG, contests, EG puts ball on court steps right and hits 3 but he really knows how to use his wingspan. that was great defense. didn’t overcommit on the contest and was still with him the entire team. great defense, better shot
- poorly run fast break - low pass on what looked like a layup alley-oop? knicks end up turning the ball over.
- passes to KOQ, soft cut - id like to see him make a more decisive cut off ball
- pas to LT - wasnt looking, fouled called (i think?) on ariza
- per - has nene on switch, no move made - passes to THJr who takes off balance fadeaway
- harden goes under screen, frank decisive in his move and shoots right away. i like the aggression
- nearly saves knicks’ possession, only knick running back on defense on break, kicks ball out of bounds on a 2on1 break. great reaction / defense there
- pick on frank, goes under, harden hits shot from 5? feet beyond 3
- comes back right after long harden 3, attacks right off dribble, gets into paint, half shot / floater (with two hands) - should have used natural floater
- got ball after rebound, instead of dribbling ball up, he passed it up, dotson passes to KOQ for foul - SUPER smart. ball moves faster up court if passed; don’t need to dribble it every time up court
- strips harden of ball, gave up dribble, jumped, and tried passing…felt pressure from nene. should have held it or waited for nene to run into him to draw foul
- switched onto rhino, rhino drives harden, gets a little separation, hits jumper. looks like frank might be a little tired
- sees mismatch with harden on KOQ, gets ball to KOQ but nothing happens
- soft closeout on harden corner 3 off of out of bounds play. no help on that side so couldn’t chase off line ?
- beautiful bounce pass to douggie cutting backdoor — made basket and foul
- harden tried taking him off dribble, frank stays with him for ~10 seconds in PERFECT position. hands reaching ever so slightly to keep him honest with the dribble and make sure harden keeps ball on string. forces harden to take fadeaway 3. missed it
- frank passes to ball on lance slip screen. quick pass from frank. lance missed it, but that goes in if its kp. great passing read
- switched onto black, EG misses floater, picture perfect boxout from frank
- again, passed ball up to get break started earlier. led to dotson layup and foul
- bad pass into willy post up. didn’t have position
- pin-down for douggie. douggie easy 3.
- gets over screen, gets hand in lane and appears to have tipped the pass
- drives to paint on break, sucks defense in, lance open 3, missed. kp makes it?
- pass up to dotson to beat houston’s defense. layup for dotson. so smart pushing ball up and not dribbling
- contest long 3
- passes ball ahead to dotson who hits EG with the hesitation dribble, EG falls, dotson hits jumper
- takes handoff from willy, comes off dribbling hard. ref calls foul, but he came off strong and was looking to shoot. love that
- PERFECT rotation with clint rolling. great position, could have tried to take charge but didn’t. clint go ORB and scored but the position was great. 3(?) players near frank and none of them come down with ball. nobody wanted it enough
- comes off aggressive off a screen to shoot. misses shot but thats the aggression we’re looking for
- doubles zhou with KP. forces jump ball (frank jump)
- willy inside position. frank a little floating pass. willy turns and dunks. perfect pass.
- hit willy on another slipped screen. again great pass - willy to doug for 3 (missed)
Dotson
- let harden get inside position on rebound — he scored on offensive glass
- receives pass from frank on brea, quick pass to KOQ who was fouled
- crossover right into 3 in rhino’s face. looked super comfortable doing that
- pin down screen, had defender behind him ran hard, didn’t get ball. hard strong cut. he moves with purpose
- attacks d glass. uncontested, but, again, he did it with purpose
- missed jumper off dribble. d was right there. not a fan of that shot
- ran to corner hard, frank passes up, hard attack baseline for layup AND foul. nice take
- ran up, frank passes up, layup for dotson
- ran up, frank passes, dotson hesitation dribble, EG falls, dotson hits jumper
- gets capella on switch, hits willy in post bc he has Ariza guarding him. willy travels, but that was great recognition
- came off curl from willy, gets pass, tries to hit willy but ball is a little bit too far in front
- dotson got over aggressive - thought harden was cutting, harden faded and got an open 3 (missed it)
- dot pulls ariza as he gets screened. silly foul…he got lazy
- harden had dot on his hip, dot still used length to contest harden to miss shot
- aggressive on ball defense but too much hands. its obvious he wants to defend.
- Had a step on Zhou (on switch), kicked it back to KP for an open 3
- kicked ball up to KP - scores ball on EG. Dot kept running hard to the rim (in case miss, no call, etc)
- kp setting screens for dotson - two of them - dot runs HARD off of them. he keeps running with a purpose off screens.
So...about that game...full analysis here - https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2017/11/02/knicks-vs-houston-kanter-kp-dot-and-frank-analysis/ Preview below.
KOQ looked good, Willy played with no effort, KP floated in and out (but looked physical at times), Dougie still looks good on offense...
I'm going to be posting a full game analysis on KANTER, PORZINGIS, DOTSON, and FRANK at thefrontofficeeye.com (my new site - player evals, game analysis, draft scouts, etc) tomorrow, but I'm posting the Frank / Dotson stuff here for a little taste (ignore typos - I'll fix before I publish). Also, just a warning, but it's LONG.
Frank Ntilkina
- first defense possession forced harden right - stopped him from driving
- switched onto LRMAM
- first one back on defense when houston runs break - stops nene and hits him at the FT line to stop momentum and the rim run
- allowed harden to get strong hand drive on secondary break; didn’t get position quick enough to draw charge (harden had the extended elbow)
- endless wingspan leads to harden turnover
- beautiful hesitation @:50 leading to pass to KOQ (should have reverse pivoted to center, but KOQ lifted pivot foot and traveled)
- perfect closeout on tucker @:40
- handoff from dougie, nene under screen, frank no hesitation with the jumper at the end of the quarter
- disrupted drive from EG by reaching a bit - stayed close enough to defender to make sure kickoff wasn’t possible but came in enough to help
- pressures LRMAM right after crossing half-court…that wingspan is so long
- catch and shoot three on secondary break, no hesitation, missed but great shot
- rotated out to EG, forced kickoff to rhino (made 3)
- entry pass to beasley, went to screen away but might have had the room to cut …I’d like to see him fake the screen and cut HARD to the basket
- PNR with Beas, got Rhino on him, passed instead of trying to attack
- took rhino off dribble, didn’t beat him, got rhino under basket, came back to side he drove from, threw up layup and missed - badly forced shot that time
- got over screen from rhino while guarding EG, but beasley switched allowing them to drive and kick for three
- single-handedly stopped secondary break - stayed perfect position between rhino (and EG?) - deflection, houston ball
- gets over screen, rhino cuts on KP with KP fouling (see above) - great defense from frank, though. kept EG from floater @10ft
- screen at top, frank hedges in - ball doesn’t come to his side, but he’s watching ball but staying in great position on defense. splitting court in half. defensive IQ is insane
- comes in to help on drive, gets back out to EG, contests, EG puts ball on court steps right and hits 3 but he really knows how to use his wingspan. that was great defense. didn’t overcommit on the contest and was still with him the entire team. great defense, better shot
- poorly run fast break - low pass on what looked like a layup alley-oop? knicks end up turning the ball over.
- passes to KOQ, soft cut - id like to see him make a more decisive cut off ball
- pas to LT - wasnt looking, fouled called (i think?) on ariza
- per - has nene on switch, no move made - passes to THJr who takes off balance fadeaway
- harden goes under screen, frank decisive in his move and shoots right away. i like the aggression
- nearly saves knicks’ possession, only knick running back on defense on break, kicks ball out of bounds on a 2on1 break. great reaction / defense there
- pick on frank, goes under, harden hits shot from 5? feet beyond 3
- comes back right after long harden 3, attacks right off dribble, gets into paint, half shot / floater (with two hands) - should have used natural floater
- got ball after rebound, instead of dribbling ball up, he passed it up, dotson passes to KOQ for foul - SUPER smart. ball moves faster up court if passed; don’t need to dribble it every time up court
- strips harden of ball, gave up dribble, jumped, and tried passing…felt pressure from nene. should have held it or waited for nene to run into him to draw foul
- switched onto rhino, rhino drives harden, gets a little separation, hits jumper. looks like frank might be a little tired
- sees mismatch with harden on KOQ, gets ball to KOQ but nothing happens
- soft closeout on harden corner 3 off of out of bounds play. no help on that side so couldn’t chase off line ?
- beautiful bounce pass to douggie cutting backdoor — made basket and foul
- harden tried taking him off dribble, frank stays with him for ~10 seconds in PERFECT position. hands reaching ever so slightly to keep him honest with the dribble and make sure harden keeps ball on string. forces harden to take fadeaway 3. missed it
- frank passes to ball on lance slip screen. quick pass from frank. lance missed it, but that goes in if its kp. great passing read
- switched onto black, EG misses floater, picture perfect boxout from frank
- again, passed ball up to get break started earlier. led to dotson layup and foul
- bad pass into willy post up. didn’t have position
- pin-down for douggie. douggie easy 3.
- gets over screen, gets hand in lane and appears to have tipped the pass
- drives to paint on break, sucks defense in, lance open 3, missed. kp makes it?
- pass up to dotson to beat houston’s defense. layup for dotson. so smart pushing ball up and not dribbling
- contest long 3
- passes ball ahead to dotson who hits EG with the hesitation dribble, EG falls, dotson hits jumper
- takes handoff from willy, comes off dribbling hard. ref calls foul, but he came off strong and was looking to shoot. love that
- PERFECT rotation with clint rolling. great position, could have tried to take charge but didn’t. clint go ORB and scored but the position was great. 3(?) players near frank and none of them come down with ball. nobody wanted it enough
- comes off aggressive off a screen to shoot. misses shot but thats the aggression we’re looking for
- doubles zhou with KP. forces jump ball (frank jump)
- willy inside position. frank a little floating pass. willy turns and dunks. perfect pass.
- hit willy on another slipped screen. again great pass - willy to doug for 3 (missed)
Dotson
- let harden get inside position on rebound — he scored on offensive glass
- receives pass from frank on brea, quick pass to KOQ who was fouled
- crossover right into 3 in rhino’s face. looked super comfortable doing that
- pin down screen, had defender behind him ran hard, didn’t get ball. hard strong cut. he moves with purpose
- attacks d glass. uncontested, but, again, he did it with purpose
- missed jumper off dribble. d was right there. not a fan of that shot
- ran to corner hard, frank passes up, hard attack baseline for layup AND foul. nice take
- ran up, frank passes up, layup for dotson
- ran up, frank passes, dotson hesitation dribble, EG falls, dotson hits jumper
- gets capella on switch, hits willy in post bc he has Ariza guarding him. willy travels, but that was great recognition
- came off curl from willy, gets pass, tries to hit willy but ball is a little bit too far in front
- dotson got over aggressive - thought harden was cutting, harden faded and got an open 3 (missed it)
- dot pulls ariza as he gets screened. silly foul…he got lazy
- harden had dot on his hip, dot still used length to contest harden to miss shot
- aggressive on ball defense but too much hands. its obvious he wants to defend.
- Had a step on Zhou (on switch), kicked it back to KP for an open 3
- kicked ball up to KP - scores ball on EG. Dot kept running hard to the rim (in case miss, no call, etc)
- kp setting screens for dotson - two of them - dot runs HARD off of them. he keeps running with a purpose off screens.
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I'm not even trippin.
Frank still the goat.
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back at it like a crack addict



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WTF Post of 2017:
If Phil pulled that off, I would put a put a paper bag over my head, paste a picture of Jeannie on it, poke a hole through the mouth, and give Phil the best BJ he's ever had in his entire life.[/quote]
If Phil pulled that off, I would put a put a paper bag over my head, paste a picture of Jeannie on it, poke a hole through the mouth, and give Phil the best BJ he's ever had in his entire life.[/quote]
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Frank 8 assist 5 steals I'm good. Dotson with 9. Kp stat pad without injury. I'm good.
Rockets fluke win. Throw up a lot, a lot go in. That's the Rockets strategy. Can't win no chip with that. Bounce back Friday baby.
Rockets fluke win. Throw up a lot, a lot go in. That's the Rockets strategy. Can't win no chip with that. Bounce back Friday baby.
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Willy is untouchable, I would not trade him for anyone... said a lot of Knicks fans... he flat out sucks that's the truth, doesn't play defense, doesn't even fight for rebounds... All rookie 1st team my ***.
And he is angry/frustrated about his playing time lmao grow some balls and go play hard.
Just trade him. lol
And he is angry/frustrated about his playing time lmao grow some balls and go play hard.
Just trade him. lol
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We also face the Kings twice in the near future. I think it's time Yabu pays back some of that free money he's been given his entire career and bounces Fox for a nice 2 week ankle sprain.
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Willy has zero confidence right now.
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Man, Hermangomez was really trying to crack that rotation.



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So i guess we arent going 79-3.
Also, back tied for the 7th pick (behind CAVS so really 6)
Also, back tied for the 7th pick (behind CAVS so really 6)
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All a learning experience. We'll grow from this.
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still some positives tonight... i'll take it
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Frank and KP are keepers.
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F*ck these crusty azz mid range shooting vets, just let Frank play 35 min a game and lead rookies in assists and steals
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Loved what DDot and Frank did defensively..they play so hard..its so obvious they need to get major minutes
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Dump Lee And O” Quinn now while they have some value
Revisit the Bledsoe deal
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Like I said Jeff broke Willy. He will have to keep playing hard to snap out of that.
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8 assists and 5 steals (a DPOY in the making **** Kawhi)
Dotson with 9 pts (beginning of end of Lee)
Beginning of a 15 game L streak
Dotson with 9 pts (beginning of end of Lee)
Beginning of a 15 game L streak
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Effort for the most part was awful.
KP subpar. I like Franks vision and his defense. Dotson should be taking some of Timmy's minutes.
Good to see the younger guys get extended burn.
Willy didn't work on his game at all this offseason, guess he felt entitled.
KP subpar. I like Franks vision and his defense. Dotson should be taking some of Timmy's minutes.
Good to see the younger guys get extended burn.
Willy didn't work on his game at all this offseason, guess he felt entitled.
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Frank with 8 assists and 5 steals...I see u kid
he had some nice defensive possessions on Harden
he had some nice defensive possessions on Harden

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willy for okafor
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