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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#161 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:37 pm

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blueNorange wrote:defensive anchor? :lol:

who's next on your list? brandon wright?

nerlens noel?

i am shocked you still quote me just to argue but i still find it amusing :lol:
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there's a real good reason why the most minutes henson averaged in a season was 26.5 minutes, and it was his second season.

ever since then he's never cracked over 20 minutes :rofl: but boy bucks got a "defensive anchor" that they're secretly hiding?

This year, opponents are shooting 5.2 percent worse with Henson on the court vs. off. He’s a true defensive anchor.

Henson has continued to block shots at an elite rate this year, sporting a league-leading block percentage of 7.9 percent (minimum 150 minutes).

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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#162 » by Floozenheimen » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:37 pm

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Every team gets a first rounder in trades except the Knicks


The Chi 2018 2nd rounder is arguably worth more than late 1st rounders.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#163 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:39 pm

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knicks85 wrote:despite only giving up a protected pick, i dont tihnk the trade helps the bucks, Bledsoe is a redundant piece and will cannablize production,I believe both teams could have gotten more suitable return...


Hmmm. How come you don't think it helps? 38% on spot up shooters, top 10 in drives per game and FG% on drives, defensive versatility, and the ability to match up with any small ball team going forward.

i see bledsoe and kidd butting heads.

2 big personalities right there.


Meh, I guess that's possible. I think Bledsoe will simply be happy to be in a non-losing environment. He's going to be playing off ball more which is better for his game (Bucks have Giannis as a #1 playmaker and Bled will be #2-4 depending on matchup) and can focus on what earned him early career success - defense and hustling (while scoring at the "right" time).

I think considering the east is wide open right now, this is a move the Bucks had to make with minimal downside.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#164 » by BBALLER4FR » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:40 pm

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EchelonNYK wrote:Image

Every team gets a first rounder in trades except the Knicks


The Chi 2018 2nd rounder is arguably worth more than late 1st rounders.


No amount of finagling could possibly make that statement true.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#165 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:41 pm

Man, I really wanted Bledsoe. I would not have given up a 1st like MIL did though, so on to the next one.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#166 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:42 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:KP is the reason why we're winning. stop it

I said one of the reasons man. I've been on record saying KP is the main reason we are winning. However they are others contributing. Kanters brick wall screens have helped us tremendously. Those double screens with KP and Kanter taking 2 people with him to free up KP. Those things go unnoticed but whatever.

you're clearly not understanding the point, john henson ... a career bench warmer ... is a defensive anchor.

that awkward moment when u don't realize he's starting for milwaukee now
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#167 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:43 pm

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EchelonNYK wrote:Image

Every team gets a first rounder in trades except the Knicks


The Chi 2018 2nd rounder is arguably worth more than late 1st rounders.


No amount of finagling could possibly make that statement true.


More contract options - team options, less guaranteed, less salary per year, etc.

Pickings will be thinner so you need a good scouting department, but early 2nds have great value.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#168 » by BigShot Bojan » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:49 pm

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Hmmm. How come you don't think it helps? 38% on spot up shooters, top 10 in drives per game and FG% on drives, defensive versatility, and the ability to match up with any small ball team going forward.

i see bledsoe and kidd butting heads.

2 big personalities right there.


Meh, I guess that's possible. I think Bledsoe will simply be happy to be in a non-losing environment. He's going to be playing off ball more which is better for his game (Bucks have Giannis as a #1 playmaker and Bled will be #2-4 depending on matchup) and can focus on what earned him early career success - defense and hustling (while scoring at the "right" time).

I think considering the east is wide open right now, this is a move the Bucks had to make with minimal downside.

i just dont believe thiers enough basketballs to go around..
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#169 » by Dantares » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:50 pm

robillionaire wrote:So just hypothetically here, if they'd have offered him for Kanter and a first would yall have done it

I still wouldn't


I would have traded Kanter to another team for a 1st + Bulls 2nd round pick. that would have gotten it done. I don't think monroe has value, they just wanted his expiring. Kanter could probably net a decent 1st round pick. I mean I've never seen anyone averaging 14/11 on 60% shooting on a winning team get traded for only a second round pick.


but on the bright side we keep our assets. if we want to make a move for an all-star to team up with Frank/KP then we have the assets to use this summer if we need more cap-space or do a sign and trade. our timeline to make a splash was probably summer 2019 but KP's emergence has accelerated that timeline.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#170 » by dakomish23 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:50 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:i rather be stuck with a defensive anchor than a stat padding kanter

defensive anchor? :lol:

who's next on your list? brandon wright?

nerlens noel?


Nerlens Noel can absolutely be a defensive anchor
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#171 » by BBALLER4FR » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:51 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:
Floozenheimen wrote:
The Chi 2018 2nd rounder is arguably worth more than late 1st rounders.


No amount of finagling could possibly make that statement true.


More contract options - team options, less guaranteed, less salary per year, etc.

Pickings will be thinner so you need a good scouting department, but early 2nds have great value.


That doesn't make it more valuable than a late 1st. There may be more flexability in a second rnd pick but teams would almost always prefer a 1st rounder 20-30 over the 32nd, 33rd or 34th pick. Otherwise Milwaukee should have given them their 2nd rounder.
Those last 70 seconds, Randle in a nut shell.

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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#172 » by BigShot Bojan » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:52 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:i rather be stuck with a defensive anchor than a stat padding kanter

defensive anchor? :lol:

who's next on your list? brandon wright?

nerlens noel?


Nerlens Noel can absolutely be a defensive anchor

Noel is KP with **** offense
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#173 » by Capn'O » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:53 pm

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Hmmm. How come you don't think it helps? 38% on spot up shooters, top 10 in drives per game and FG% on drives, defensive versatility, and the ability to match up with any small ball team going forward.

i see bledsoe and kidd butting heads.

2 big personalities right there.


Meh, I guess that's possible. I think Bledsoe will simply be happy to be in a non-losing environment. He's going to be playing off ball more which is better for his game (Bucks have Giannis as a #1 playmaker and Bled will be #2-4 depending on matchup) and can focus on what earned him early career success - defense and hustling (while scoring at the "right" time).

I think considering the east is wide open right now, this is a move the Bucks had to make with minimal downside.


Also, Dragic and Thomas were cranky before getting out of Phoenix so it's not necessarily a mark on his character that he whined a lot. That's been a tough situation.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#174 » by BigShot Bojan » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:53 pm

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No amount of finagling could possibly make that statement true.


More contract options - team options, less guaranteed, less salary per year, etc.

Pickings will be thinner so you need a good scouting department, but early 2nds have great value.


That doesn't make it more valuable than a late 1st. There may be more flexability in a second rnd pick but teams would almost always prefer a 1st rounder 20-30 over the 32nd, 33rd or 34th pick.

yes it does...if thiers is no real divergence of talents but more team friendly contracts than yes it is more valuable
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#175 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:54 pm

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No amount of finagling could possibly make that statement true.


More contract options - team options, less guaranteed, less salary per year, etc.

Pickings will be thinner so you need a good scouting department, but early 2nds have great value.


That doesn't make it more valuable than a late 1st. There may be more flexability in a second rnd pick but teams would almost always prefer a 1st rounder 20-30 over the 32nd, 33rd or 34th pick.


Sure, but a late first in terms of 25-30 vs 30-35 and the line gets blurred a lot more. Teams like contract flexibility and considering the crap-shoot that the end of the first provides, early seconds are well worth the risk considering the variations that can be put into the contract wording. I don't consider 20-24 late first round picks, but that's just me.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#176 » by El Poochio » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:55 pm

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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#177 » by DowNY » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:56 pm

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no way brogdon that would be beyond stupid. Im thinking Monroe and a 1st round pick top lottery protected or something...


Yeah, would be surprised if they traded Brogdon...especially since he has been playing well

He’s almost 25 he’s no spring chicken...

Um.....you do know he won ROY last year right?
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#178 » by blueNorange » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:57 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:i rather be stuck with a defensive anchor than a stat padding kanter

defensive anchor? :lol:

who's next on your list? brandon wright?

nerlens noel?


Nerlens Noel can absolutely be a defensive anchor

he can absolutely also be a guy who's out of the league due to being very stupid.
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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

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Re: OT-Woj: Bledsoe to Bucks 

Post#180 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Nov 7, 2017 4:58 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Edit -- I stand corrected. :lol: Phoenix took Monroe. All big lineup anyone? Monroe, Chriss, Bender, Len, and Chandler! Who needs small ball?


Pretty much a wrap for Len too.

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