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Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency

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Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency 

Post#41 » by Jeffrey » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:17 pm

If this keeps up, I don't see how Knicks management let Kanter go without talking to him. This goes for McDermott as well.

Look at OKC now with their Big 3. It takes a year or two to add capable role players (aka ring chasers). Miami didn't win the first year with their big 3.
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Post#42 » by KnixinSix » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:49 pm

Jeffrey wrote:If this keeps up, I don't see how Knicks management let Kanter go without talking to him. This goes for McDermott as well.

Look at OKC now with their Big 3. It takes a year or two to add capable role players (aka ring chasers). Miami didn't win the first year with their big 3.



Kanter's play has been severely underrated. He is a rebounding monster and cannot be stopped under the basket. An amazing complement to KP. You let him opt out then resign him AFTER signing a big fish or two (James,George,Cousins,Paul). If one of the guys you get is Cousins you maybe let Kanter go and sign OQuinn by the same method.
McDermott I think is absolute hustle on the court and in constant motion. He has a very quick release and infinite range.
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Post#43 » by Newyorknick94 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:18 pm

FA crop is garbage this year
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Post#44 » by KnixinSix » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:37 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:FA crop is garbage this year


How do you figure?
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Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency 

Post#45 » by Jeffrey » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:18 pm

I would put a pretty penny on a guy like Avery Bradley. 2-way player, not looking to be the 1st option, hit almost 40% on 3s.
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Post#46 » by DaddyCool19 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:33 pm

What do you guys think Doug and Kyle could fetch in free agency this season and what would you be ok with paying them?
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Post#47 » by PeoplesChamp » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:41 pm

Durant? LeBron?...we still doing this?

Chris Paul is a few dribbles away from washed up....

What, no Melo on the list?

Just enjoy watching the kids develop. No need to ruin it by starphucking our way back to the 2000s...
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Post#48 » by Newyorknick94 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:51 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:FA crop is garbage this year


How do you figure?

After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.
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Post#49 » by Newyorknick94 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:53 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:What do you guys think Doug and Kyle could fetch in free agency this season and what would you be ok with paying them?

O’Quinn might give us a discount he probably enjoys playing in NY and idk about Dougie we gotta see how he finishes the season. He does seem like a high IQ guy with a smooth jumper which would be nice off the bench.
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Post#50 » by Greenie » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:06 pm

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KnixinSix wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/top-50-nba-free-agents-2018-131115656.html

Didn't even realize the other guys who can opt out or are FAs:

1.James (best player in the world, a physical specimen and should play at a dominant level for another 2-3 years)
2.Westbrook (if this thing doesn't work out in OKC he could go)
3.Cousins (dude is a monster and can do everything from the 5 position)- Pelicans have underwhelmed
4.George (2 way player)
4.Paul (2 way player)
5.Durant (don't see him leaving GS, but you never know)

To me even if we tried to stay under for under age 30 players Lebron is an exception (because it's LeBron and he gets teams to the finals practically by himself) this would be one fo thr best rosters hes been on potentially with KP and depending on what else we do roster shuffling. But even for those who don't want over 30. You have Westbrook (who could split with Frank and even play the 2 some of the time). Cousins, George and a small chance for even Durant.

These players aren't the players we've mortgaged the future for in the past. They are all multi-faceted elite stars who are a level above the likes of Stoudemire, Spreewell, MCDyss,Anthony (High volume, lower efficiency, inconsistent D).

LeBron isn't coming here
Westbrook already signed an extension
You really wanna dump more money into a Center when that's KP's future position?
Chris Paul forced a trade and wrote a rule into the CBA to allow him to get a supermax. He's not leaving to get paid less.
lol if you think Durant will even consider us

Only one I could even remotely see coming here is Paul George, but we wouldn't even be top 3 on his list of teams he'd want to go to

Ride out the contracts, draft well, and use cap on role players on cheap deals to complement stars
Stop chasing star players near or over 30 in FA. That's a terrible way to build a team



This.
Those dudes are not coming here anyway.

Every year we do this only to be disappointed.
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Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency 

Post#51 » by KnixinSix » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:13 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:FA crop is garbage this year


How do you figure?

After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.


If the goal is a championship then we'd need an elite 2 way player. There are 4-5 available this FA. With the way this team is playing we aren't a lottery team any longer, so to keep building through the draft is a tall task.

If we keep playing this way and KP looking all-world and then clear the space we may be able to sign one to two of the elite players.
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Post#52 » by Marty McFly » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:20 pm

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capspace isn't going to matter until atleast 2019 when jokic may (highly improbable) be available. Towns and Booker are likely to sign extensions before 2020 as well. giannis and simmons could go full lebron in 2021, but it's highly unlikely as well.

we'll see though.
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Post#53 » by NYKnicks6 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:37 am

KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
How do you figure?

After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.


If the goal is a championship then we'd need an elite 2 way player. There are 4-5 available this FA. With the way this team is playing we aren't a lottery team any longer, so to keep building through the draft is a tall task.

If we keep playing this way and KP looking all-world and then clear the space we may be able to sign one to two of the elite players.

Who you got in mind?
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Post#54 » by Newyorknick94 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:26 am

KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
How do you figure?

After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.


If the goal is a championship then we'd need an elite 2 way player. There are 4-5 available this FA. With the way this team is playing we aren't a lottery team any longer, so to keep building through the draft is a tall task.

If we keep playing this way and KP looking all-world and then clear the space we may be able to sign one to two of the elite players.

Pg or lebum not coming here legit 0 percent chance
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Post#55 » by bigtimeRC3 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:02 am

I'd rather build the team through the draft. Its always bad to sign free agents. Carmelo trade in hindsight was bad because the team wasted their assets and the remaining prime years of Carmelo . Even then , his prime was done in 2013 . NBA players on average are good for 10 years. Getting free agents in their 8th and 9th years won't cut it. The team has flaws and is nowhere near elite.
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Post#56 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:03 pm

at this point, we'd be lucky if kanter opts in. he might not. he's looking like he has "contract year" on his mind.
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Post#57 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:06 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
How do you figure?

After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.


If the goal is a championship then we'd need an elite 2 way player. There are 4-5 available this FA. With the way this team is playing we aren't a lottery team any longer, so to keep building through the draft is a tall task.

If we keep playing this way and KP looking all-world and then clear the space we may be able to sign one to two of the elite players.


not mutually exclusive concepts.

you can't draft doncic if you don't miss the playoffs and win the lottery.

but you can draft another cheap positive asset and possible add the right current player(s) through FA or trade. asset management becomes the name of the game. you create the right team and have the right FO relationships, you can get the right value players to do some winning.
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Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency 

Post#58 » by PeoplesChamp » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:45 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:
DaddyCool19 wrote:What do you guys think Doug and Kyle could fetch in free agency this season and what would you be ok with paying them?

O’Quinn might give us a discount he probably enjoys playing in NY and idk about Dougie we gotta see how he finishes the season. He does seem like a high IQ guy with a smooth jumper which would be nice off the bench.


They're nice players to have. They're the guys you bring in to complete a championship team. Ironically, we could lose our path to a championship by hanging on to them and paying them too soon. KP is a superstar. It's fair to expect Ntilikina to develop into a good starting PG. But we need one more big piece. Cap space in the Summer of '19 should be the top priority right now.

This team plays hard and is likeable. But I think this team is the team before THE TEAM, when the Knicks are back in a position of prominence.
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Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency 

Post#59 » by KnixinSix » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Newyorknick94 wrote:After Lebron/kd/pg13 there’s really no one I’d want moving forward might be a few bargain contracts, but there’s no one to pair with kp.


If the goal is a championship then we'd need an elite 2 way player. There are 4-5 available this FA. With the way this team is playing we aren't a lottery team any longer, so to keep building through the draft is a tall task.

If we keep playing this way and KP looking all-world and then clear the space we may be able to sign one to two of the elite players.


not mutually exclusive concepts.

you can't draft doncic if you don't miss the playoffs and win the lottery.

but you can draft another cheap positive asset and possible add the right current player(s) through FA or trade. asset management becomes the name of the game. you create the right team and have the right FO relationships, you can get the right value players to do some winning.


Let's say this start is for real and KP proves himself to be a top 5 player in the NBA, Hornacek proves to be a legit coach with a good ball movement system,the Front office is harmonious (shares a unified vision), and subsequently The Mecca again is an attractive destination for a top FA.

Would this general team let's say (minus Kanter ,keeping OQuinn,waive/stretching Noah's contract) and adding LeBron legitimately vie for a championship?

Roughly speaking:

Oquinn/Henrnangomez
KP
Lebron/Hardaway
Lee/Hardaway/Dotson
Frank/Jack or FA

And a decent to deep bench?

With KP and LeBron both being two way top 5 players in the NBA and good role players around them+ a second year Frank running the point, I say yes.

-OR- let's say (minus Kanter ,keeping OQuinn,waive/stretching Noah's contract,trading or stretching Lee) and adding Cousins and George?

Roughly speaking:

Cousins/Oquinn/Henrnangomez
K.P.
Paul George/Hardaway
Hardaway/Dotson
Frank/Jack or FA

And a decent to deep bench?
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