Re: Looking ahead: Possible Cap Space for 2018 Free Agency
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:05 pm
HarthorneWingo wrote:The entire banana boat crew can suck my dick.
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HarthorneWingo wrote:The entire banana boat crew can suck my dick.
Jeffrey wrote:I would put a pretty penny on a guy like Avery Bradley. 2-way player, not looking to be the 1st option, hit almost 40% on 3s.
Sark wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Sark wrote:Knicks shouldn't be looking to add players drafted in the early 2000s in 2018. Keep building our core organically. We'll get to where we want to be if we do it the right way. Blowing our load on old players is what doomed this team for the past 2 decades.
The caliber of player we are talking is totally different than what we have added in years past. There is a reason LeBron has went to like 6 straight finals. This isn't Derek Rose, Carmelo Anthony, Antonio MacDyss, Stoudemire etc.
No matter how much we root against Lebron, he is one of the best players of all time. You add LeBron to the current KP with keeping some of our key core that's a Finals team in the East potentially capable of beating the top West team.
LeBron is 33 next month. He's on the way down. This year and maybe next (probably not)is his window. We have too many other holes to fill to go after a big fish.
And none of these guys are coming here anyway. This is a pipe dream.
Lord Commander wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:The entire banana boat crew can suck my dick.
Dr. Detfink wrote:The only free agent that whets my whistle is, Avery Bradley...alongside Frank Nkiltina which would give the Knicks one of the BEST defensive and passing back courts in the league.
CharlesOakley wrote:Just STOP with the LeBron nonsense. You guys want to tie up a bunch of money for aw 33-year-old man-baby? You don't build a dynasty by signing players on the way down. We just watched Melo fall off the last couple of years and you guys want to do it all again?
Of the LeBron lovers, who honestly believe he is capable of playing second fiddle? I just don't see this help build culture, I don't see it helping in the locker room, I don't see it making KP happy and I don't see this helping the development of our young core.
Zingod wrote:https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/11/13/16644278/lebron-james-kristaps-porzingis-knicks
bigtimeRC3 wrote:I'd rather build the team through the draft. Its always bad to sign free agents. Carmelo trade in hindsight was bad because the team wasted their assets and the remaining prime years of Carmelo . Even then , his prime was done in 2013 . NBA players on average are good for 10 years. Getting free agents in their 8th and 9th years won't cut it. The team has flaws and is nowhere near elite.
CoolKids wrote:Sark wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
The caliber of player we are talking is totally different than what we have added in years past. There is a reason LeBron has went to like 6 straight finals. This isn't Derek Rose, Carmelo Anthony, Antonio MacDyss, Stoudemire etc.
No matter how much we root against Lebron, he is one of the best players of all time. You add LeBron to the current KP with keeping some of our key core that's a Finals team in the East potentially capable of beating the top West team.
LeBron is 33 next month. He's on the way down. This year and maybe next (probably not)is his window. We have too many other holes to fill to go after a big fish.
And none of these guys are coming here anyway. This is a pipe dream.
Yea on the way down averaging 29 9 and 7 shooting 59% from the field. Lebron is still the best player in the league. That being said no we are not getting him and Im fine with that.
K-DOT wrote:Even at the most we could free up, ~50 million, isn't actually that much now
Any one of the guys OP mentioned will cost at least 30, and ain't nobody taking a pay cut to come here
Then, yeah we'd have a pretty good starting lineup, but whoever we get is gonna be 7 years older than KP, and 10 years older than Frank and our 1st this year. Plus, we'd have no bench depth, and 20 million isn't enough to build a bench anymore
Adding star power via free agency isn't generally speaking how teams win championships. Durant going to GS was an anomaly, and the Heatles only worked cause they had the best player of this generation plus 2 star players. We wouldn't have anything close to the Miami big 3
Look at the Spurs, the only star players they've gotten in FA are LMA and Richard Jefferson, both of which were pretty big flops. Use cap to sign role players, use the draft to get star players
seren wrote:Wow. Genius move stretching and waiving two high salary players keeping a cap hit five years into the future. And for what exactly? A two year run for Eastern Conference Finals if you are lucky to stay healthy. And most likely you will add additional old salary, trade picks to stay competitive. That is absurd to say the least.
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KnixinSix wrote:K-DOT wrote:Even at the most we could free up, ~50 million, isn't actually that much now
Any one of the guys OP mentioned will cost at least 30, and ain't nobody taking a pay cut to come here
Then, yeah we'd have a pretty good starting lineup, but whoever we get is gonna be 7 years older than KP, and 10 years older than Frank and our 1st this year. Plus, we'd have no bench depth, and 20 million isn't enough to build a bench anymore
Adding star power via free agency isn't generally speaking how teams win championships. Durant going to GS was an anomaly, and the Heatles only worked cause they had the best player of this generation plus 2 star players. We wouldn't have anything close to the Miami big 3
Look at the Spurs, the only star players they've gotten in FA are LMA and Richard Jefferson, both of which were pretty big flops. Use cap to sign role players, use the draft to get star players
Since 2006 -10 out of 12 teams were 'Super' teams. Ones which contained at least two 2 way superstars (elite players offensively and defensively). And almost all these teams had 1 or more maxxed imported FAs.
The exception? The SA Spurs who have the Bill Belichek of Coaches in the NBA-Gregg Poppovich.
KnixinSix wrote:seren wrote:Wow. Genius move stretching and waiving two high salary players keeping a cap hit five years into the future. And for what exactly? A two year run for Eastern Conference Finals if you are lucky to stay healthy. And most likely you will add additional old salary, trade picks to stay competitive. That is absurd to say the least.
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It's an option presented simply if we are unable to make a trade. May only need to do 1 instead of both or see if Perry is creative enough to pull something off. Further the yearly cap increases help off set this.
K-DOT wrote:KnixinSix wrote:K-DOT wrote:Even at the most we could free up, ~50 million, isn't actually that much now
Any one of the guys OP mentioned will cost at least 30, and ain't nobody taking a pay cut to come here
Then, yeah we'd have a pretty good starting lineup, but whoever we get is gonna be 7 years older than KP, and 10 years older than Frank and our 1st this year. Plus, we'd have no bench depth, and 20 million isn't enough to build a bench anymore
Adding star power via free agency isn't generally speaking how teams win championships. Durant going to GS was an anomaly, and the Heatles only worked cause they had the best player of this generation plus 2 star players. We wouldn't have anything close to the Miami big 3
Look at the Spurs, the only star players they've gotten in FA are LMA and Richard Jefferson, both of which were pretty big flops. Use cap to sign role players, use the draft to get star players
Since 2006 -10 out of 12 teams were 'Super' teams. Ones which contained at least two 2 way superstars (elite players offensively and defensively). And almost all these teams had 1 or more maxxed imported FAs.
The exception? The SA Spurs who have the Bill Belichek of Coaches in the NBA-Gregg Poppovich.
On the point of max FAs
07 - nope
08 - nope
09 - nope
10 - nope
11 - nope
12 - yep
13 - yep
14 - nope
15 - nope
16 - yep (caveat LeBron)
17 - yep
So that's 3 and a half out of 10. I might not be the best at math, but unless something changed, 4 out of 10 isn't "almost all"
I'm sure you'll find a technicality to allow you to move the goalposts though
seren wrote:KnixinSix wrote:seren wrote:Wow. Genius move stretching and waiving two high salary players keeping a cap hit five years into the future. And for what exactly? A two year run for Eastern Conference Finals if you are lucky to stay healthy. And most likely you will add additional old salary, trade picks to stay competitive. That is absurd to say the least.
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It's an option presented simply if we are unable to make a trade. May only need to do 1 instead of both or see if Perry is creative enough to pull something off. Further the yearly cap increases help off set this.
There are no big yearly cap increases anymore. TV contract is already signed. That 40 million cap you calculated will get you one Lebron James if he is willing to come to a practically stripped out team and minimum players. Lebron said he ain't taking paycuts anymore. You can't keep anybody. It will be KP/Frank/Lebron and bunch of minimum level players. Then the team will proceed to trade future picks to put a roster around them stripping future for essentially a two year run to Eastern finals.
Bad bad idea. Even if I would be willing to do all those waiving and stretching, I would use the money to go after a much younger player. Not Lebron.
Better yet. Let us continue to use our own picks, sign young players and build around KP.
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KnixinSix wrote:seren wrote:KnixinSix wrote:
It's an option presented simply if we are unable to make a trade. May only need to do 1 instead of both or see if Perry is creative enough to pull something off. Further the yearly cap increases help off set this.
There are no big yearly cap increases anymore. TV contract is already signed. That 40 million cap you calculated will get you one Lebron James if he is willing to come to a practically stripped out team and minimum players. Lebron said he ain't taking paycuts anymore. You can't keep anybody. It will be KP/Frank/Lebron and bunch of minimum level players. Then the team will proceed to trade future picks to put a roster around them stripping future for essentially a two year run to Eastern finals.
Bad bad idea. Even if I would be willing to do all those waiving and stretching, I would use the money to go after a much younger player. Not Lebron.
Better yet. Let us continue to use our own picks, sign young players and build around KP.
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Does management pass on LeBron to pair with KP if they think he would come over? Or even not LeBron but perhaps George and Paul or Cousins?
I don't think the team would be as bereft of talent after those two guys either as you assert.