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Greenie wrote:magnumt wrote:Greenie wrote:
Tough defenders but Kanter and Timmy start...
As others have said, they do what WillyG & Kuz does/did, but atm better.
--Mags
What does Kuz do? Nothing. That’s why he got cut.
Willy is going through this because of Kanters contract. Kanter can’t be ANOTHER large contract on the bench.
Sark wrote:Phish Tank wrote:Funny thing about Willy, Kyle, and Kanter is that they can all rebound, but aren't really that athletic and can't jump.
Forgetting Noah for a moment, we have three centers and only room to play 2.
Kyle's playing because he can defend.
The real test is between Kanter and Willy. Kanter's the better scorer (sorry, but it's true), neither can play any defense, both aren't really that athletic. Willy's 2 years younger and is only in his 2nd year while Kanter is in his 7th. However, Kanter came in great shape to start training camp. Willy still looks out of shape (even after playing in FIBA) and seems to be like three steps slow.
Kanter has the advantage in two areas. Came in shape and can score. Why does Willy deserve to play over him?
Yes, Willy probably would have been playing if we didn't trade Melo. By trading Melo, we had to absorb a center. It's just a sad reality, but it can't be changed now.
But when you look at it past this season, and into next season and beyond, it's apparent that Kanter will be here for next season (he will opt in), while Willy can be here much longer. Kyle is the one that will opt out, and we will not have the cap space to pay him. The Knicks have to determine who will be here in 2019/2020 and beyond. Willy + KP is the obvious choice. Noah's contract will be coming off or he will be stretched. Do we want to be paying Kyle O'Quinn $15m+ per year into his 30s? Or does it make more sense to keep WHG, who will be 25 at that time?
IAmTheBest wrote:Oscirus wrote:IAmTheBest wrote:
KP was willing to spurn the president of the Knicks with 13 rings behind his name, the man who actually drafted him, for carmelo fukin anthony. KP literally went and played in a world tournament without consulting the knicks because he was pissed. and this was when KP was a sophomore averaging 18 points a game.
KP the type of dude to ignore his coach for months
Let's not act like KP is all about the team and whatnot. He has patterns of showing no hesitation to cut off from the organization if he feels like they are not taking him or his colleagues seriously.
And now he's averaging 30 ppg and getting mvp chants at the garden. You tell me how it will affect his pull
KP didn't spurn management for Melo. If anything Janis basically told us quite the opposite, he spurned management to make a statement in regards to the way things were being run. He was trying to be a leader.
KP definitely has pull but he's not going to use it to get his boy undeserved playing time. That benefits neither him nor the team.
A sophomore skipping an exit meeting and ignoring the head coach for months has nothing to do with being a leader. Almost all the retired pro ballers agreed upon this point. Even Clyde Frazier and Oak lol. KP bailing and then ignoring hornacek was a bitch move to be honest. And he ultimately did it for Melo. He didnt like the wway Melo's situation was being treated and he was protesting the management.
I'm not saying KP is going to use his pull to get Willy undeserved playing time. KP seems to understand willy being benched. I'm talking about Willy being traded.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Knicksfan20 wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:god shammgod wrote:
oquinn is not a 4. not in the modern nba. thank god jeff abandoned those 2 center lineups.
would be nice if KO could play there, but unless we face twin towers somewhere, he's gotta play 5.
but i get the point. he'd at least hustle to the point where you would rather reward him by playing him out of position than giving those minutes to someone who doesn't deserve to play.
Think of it this way... oquinn is a better defender and rebounder at the 4 then Beasley is. If he is capable of defending the position on defense, He can play the position. Oquinns midrange is money;, has good vision and is a good passer, he wouldn’t hurt us much on the offensive end. He needs more minutes imo. Beasley should be racking up dnps
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
Oscirus wrote:IAmTheBest wrote:Oscirus wrote:
KP didn't spurn management for Melo. If anything Janis basically told us quite the opposite, he spurned management to make a statement in regards to the way things were being run. He was trying to be a leader.
KP definitely has pull but he's not going to use it to get his boy undeserved playing time. That benefits neither him nor the team.
A sophomore skipping an exit meeting and ignoring the head coach for months has nothing to do with being a leader. Almost all the retired pro ballers agreed upon this point. Even Clyde Frazier and Oak lol. KP bailing and then ignoring hornacek was a bitch move to be honest. And he ultimately did it for Melo. He didnt like the wway Melo's situation was being treated and he was protesting the management.
I'm not saying KP is going to use his pull to get Willy undeserved playing time. KP seems to understand willy being benched. I'm talking about Willy being traded.
You'll get no argument from me that it was the wrong thing to do. But his reasons for doing it weren't for Melo. He couldn't give a **** about Melo. Melo was in his way, he benefited from their chasing him our.
KP's not going to waste his pull or time trying to stop his boy from being traded. If it happens, it happens, KP will leave him a nice goodbye note.
2010 wrote:Real talk, I have always liked Willy and was talking him up before this season. But no one can argue that Kanter has beat him out, plain and simple. You cannot justify benching Kanter right now the way he has meshed with KP, rebounds, scores in the paint, and provided leadership and a toughminded example for his teammates to follow in not taking crap from anyone and taking pride in repping the city and the uniform.
KOQ has to be the backup bc he defends better than Willy, he passes just as good as Willy, his production per minute rate is elite across the board, and we need to build his trade value as there is no way we can afford to pay him this offseason once he inevitably opts out. KOQ ideally is going to be traded by the deadline.
Noah is back and has an insane contract. At best he deserves a chance to be allowed to get spot mins depending on matchups on nights we can use his defense, communication/talking on defense, energy, and motivation in spurts.
Basically, Willy just need to STFU and ride this wave out until the rough waters calm once KOQ is gone. He should go down to the G League and get his reps in, dominate that schit and work on his defense and all other facets of his game to keep his confidence level high.
Amare_1_Knicks wrote:I would love to see Willy get some minutes but Kanter is so much more polished than he is right now, AND he’s only two years older. Kyle plays better defense than Hernangomez and finishes well himself, and has a nice little offensive game in general. Noah, whenever he plays is probably going to steal time from Willy also.
I’d love to see him develop but realistically it’s not in the cards. Going forward, I’d rather keep Kanter if I had to choose.
Woodsanity wrote:Kanter has outplayed him he has to get over it.
thebuzzardman wrote:Guy is 22,23 years old, on a cheap deal. Even if he's having an "attitude" problem this (which I doubt), he has two years to approach what Kanter is doing at the same age. By that time Knicks will have made a decision with KOQ, Kanter and Noah will be medically retired. Point being, is Knicks don't have to rush.
