Let's stop and get a FrankfROOTER - Franktalk #3

Red Vines · Post #1041 » by **Red Vines** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:14 pm

He shouldn't be rushed like many are trying to do. And he shouldn't set unrealistic expectations for himself just because others have those expectations. Being more aggressive driving the ball should be his focus because if he can't learn to drive and get comfortable making decisions in traffic then he's not going to be a good PG. Until he starts having more good games orchestrating the offense than bad games and actually looks comfortable then I wouldn't throw him to the wolves, i.e., NBA fans and media who will pick him apart.

CharlesOakley · Post #1042 » by **CharlesOakley** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:19 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Why would it take a miracle for him to score 10 ppg? The hall of fame is littered with players who didn't have memorable rookie seasons. Frank is hardworking and intelligent. That tends to improve one's chances to get better.

Dirk - 8 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 2.6 ppg
Kawhi - 7.1 ppg
Kobe - 7.6 ppg
Paul George - 7.8 ppg
Joe Johnson - 7.5 ppg
Giannis - 6.8 ppg

What about young point guards?

Gary Payton - 7.2 ppg 6.4 assists (shooting .077% from 3)
Steve Nash - 3.3ppg and 2.1 assists
Rondo - 6 ppg w/ 3.8 assists
Stockton - 5.6ppg and 5 assists
Walt Frazier 9ppg and 4 assists

Most of these guys were significantly older when they came into the league. Can we just stop predicting a 19-year-olds entire future off of the first half of his rookie year?

taj2133 · Post #1043 » by **taj2133** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:30 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Why would it take a miracle for him to score 10 ppg? The hall of fame is littered with players who didn't have memorable rookie seasons. Frank is hardworking and intelligent. That tends to improve one's chances to get better.

Dirk - 8 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 2.6 ppg
Kawhi - 7.1 ppg
Kobe - 7.6 ppg
Paul George - 7.8 ppg
Joe Johnson - 7.5 ppg
Giannis - 6.8 ppg

What about young point guards?

Gary Payton - 7.2 ppg 6.4 assists (shooting .077% from 3)
Steve Nash - 3.3ppg and 2.1 assists
Rondo - 6 ppg w/ 3.8 assists
Stockton - 5.6ppg and 5 assists
Walt Frazier 9ppg and 4 assists

Most of these guys were significantly older when they came into the league. Can we just stop predicting a 19-year-olds entire future off of the first half of his rookie year?

Frank needs to have more good games more frequently he just can't show up whenever he feels like it. Lets just hope this frank turning point moving forward.

a-French-Fan · Post #1044 » by **a-French-Fan** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:00 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Frank may scores. He knows what he has to do, and other guys are expected to take more shots in the team. So as time he is not expected as a scoring leader, he won't try to take more shots. But don't think he is not able.
Frank may be really clutch, and one year ago when he was first option with U18 France NT, he showed that he was able to score, and how he was clutch (isn't he sometimes with Knicks actually?). Of course, it was not NBA level. As a pro with Strasbourg, he wasn(t first option too and it's very hard for a young player to score in Europe (except for Doncic!). But the day that the coach says "do it", don't worry he Will. I am really confident in his abilities to score.

F N 11 · Post #1045 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:05 pm

So proud seeing my boy not think out there. His swag was on a different level. Stop putting him out there with bums and watch dude work. Its not rocket science. There's a reason why KP and Frank lineup is beastly. That Dunk attempt was a clear indicator that he wasnt going to GAF anymore. I want to see it more.

They wont be going under the screen for Frank for long and that would only open up so much more for him.

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #1046 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:08 am

A miracle to score 10 ppg? Man, stop posting this nonsense...

3toheadmelo · Post #1047 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:45 am

just here to say that u can all thank me later

i got us frank with the lottery thread mofos!

IllmaticHandler · Post #1048 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:51 am

3toheadmelo wrote:just here to say that u can all thank me later

i got us frank with the lottery thread mofos!

???

Spoiler:

3toheadmelo · Post #1049 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:54 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:just here to say that u can all thank me later

i got us frank with the lottery thread mofos!

???

Spoiler:

good times
viewtopic.php?t=1564529

BeagleBoss · Post #1050 » by **BeagleBoss** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:51 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Why would it take a miracle for him to score 10 ppg? The hall of fame is littered with players who didn't have memorable rookie seasons. Frank is hardworking and intelligent. That tends to improve one's chances to get better.

Dirk - 8 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 2.6 ppg
Kawhi - 7.1 ppg
Kobe - 7.6 ppg
Paul George - 7.8 ppg
Joe Johnson - 7.5 ppg
Giannis - 6.8 ppg

What about young point guards?

Gary Payton - 7.2 ppg 6.4 assists (shooting .077% from 3)
Steve Nash - 3.3ppg and 2.1 assists
Rondo - 6 ppg w/ 3.8 assists
Stockton - 5.6ppg and 5 assists
Walt Frazier 9ppg and 4 assists

Most of these guys were significantly older when they came into the league. Can we just stop predicting a 19-year-olds entire future off of the first half of his rookie year?

My opinion is based on skill set more than his age. I haven't seen any skills offensively from Ntilikina. And he lacks speed, quickness and athleticism.

Post #1051 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:57 pm

beagleboss - frank = marcus smart 2.0

Knicksfan1992 · Post #1052 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:00 pm

Lol people are crazy... There are only 4 players in the entire league who average over 30 minutes per game who don't get at least 10 points a game. You may think Frank isn't a scorer but if he gets starter minutes he's almost certainly going to get 10 points a game. Hell even Lonzo is getting over 10 his rookie year and nobody would say he's a great scorer...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2018&year_max=2018&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&order_by=pts_per_g

Post #1053 » by **DOT** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:26 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:just here to say that u can all thank me later

i got us frank with the lottery thread mofos!

???

Spoiler:

good times
viewtopic.php?t=1564529

lol

BeagleBoss · Post #1054 » by **BeagleBoss** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:58 pm

mpharris36 wrote:beagleboss - frank = marcus smart 2.0

I knew it would have caused a fire storm so I deleted it. :lol:

But that's the level of player I see Ntilikina and I like Smart.

Post #1055 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:11 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:beagleboss - frank = marcus smart 2.0

I knew it would have caused a fire storm so I deleted it.

But that's the level of player I see Ntilikina and I like Smart.

smart wished he could shoot like frank, and frank has already shown me more playmaking and creativity than smart has ever done.

So a better shooting + playmaking marcus smart is actually a hell of a player.

shtolky · Post #1056 » by **shtolky** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:17 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Why would it take a miracle for him to score 10 ppg? The hall of fame is littered with players who didn't have memorable rookie seasons. Frank is hardworking and intelligent. That tends to improve one's chances to get better.

Dirk - 8 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 2.6 ppg
Kawhi - 7.1 ppg
Kobe - 7.6 ppg
Paul George - 7.8 ppg
Joe Johnson - 7.5 ppg
Giannis - 6.8 ppg

What about young point guards?

Gary Payton - 7.2 ppg 6.4 assists (shooting .077% from 3)
Steve Nash - 3.3ppg and 2.1 assists
Rondo - 6 ppg w/ 3.8 assists
Stockton - 5.6ppg and 5 assists
Walt Frazier 9ppg and 4 assists

Most of these guys were significantly older when they came into the league. Can we just stop predicting a 19-year-olds entire future off of the first half of his rookie year?

My opinion is based on skill set more than his age. I haven't seen any skills offensively from Ntilikina. And he lacks speed, quickness and athleticism.

You are completely ignoring the response to your post which shows hall of famers and stars who were not offensive juggernauts in their rookie seasons. You probably would have said the same nonsense about those guys as you are with Frank. He's averaging 6ppg in 20+ minutes as a 19 year old, shooting 38% from 3 over the last two months, and you already say it will be a miracle if he scores 10ppg in his ENTIRE career? Holy sh*t.

Savageknick2190 · Post #1057 » by **Savageknick2190** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:42 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:beagleboss - frank = marcus smart 2.0

I knew it would have caused a fire storm so I deleted it.

But that's the level of player I see Ntilikina and I like Smart.

smart wished he could shoot like frank, and frank has already shown me more playmaking and creativity than smart has ever done.

So a better shooting + playmaking marcus smart is actually a hell of a player.

What are you talking about? Both players shoot 35 percent from the field. Frank may be able to shoot in the future but right now he doesn't do it very well.

Slicin N Dicin · Post #1058 » by **Slicin N Dicin** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:46 pm

Some of these posts:

Frank will be just fine

Post #1059 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:49 pm

Savageknick2190 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:
I knew it would have caused a fire storm so I deleted it.

But that's the level of player I see Ntilikina and I like Smart.

smart wished he could shoot like frank, and frank has already shown me more playmaking and creativity than smart has ever done.

So a better shooting + playmaking marcus smart is actually a hell of a player.

What are you talking about? Both players shoot 35 percent from the field. Frank may be able to shoot in the future but right now he doesn't do it very well.

take away the first month of the year where frank was coming off limited practice time due to an injury. As someone pointed out over the last 2 months he has been shooting 38% from 3...In his rookie year!

Smart is a career 29% 3 point shooter....the dude can't shoot. Frank can. Its not projecting frank is shooting 38% from 3 over large sample size to know he will be a good shooter in the NBA. Frank was always touted to have a good outside shot. Smart never has had one.

Amsterdam · Post #1060 » by **Amsterdam** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:50 pm

taj2133 wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Chill.

Frank played well yesterday but his offense game is still ass. I think it will be a miracle and it will take a lot of hardwork for him to score 10 ppg in his career. He has no skills offensively. That doesn't mean he will be a total bust and out of the league. He's already a great defender and has shown flashes of being a solid passer and able to run a team and get his teammates good shots.

Why would it take a miracle for him to score 10 ppg? The hall of fame is littered with players who didn't have memorable rookie seasons. Frank is hardworking and intelligent. That tends to improve one's chances to get better.

Dirk - 8 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 2.6 ppg
Kawhi - 7.1 ppg
Kobe - 7.6 ppg
Paul George - 7.8 ppg
Joe Johnson - 7.5 ppg
Giannis - 6.8 ppg

What about young point guards?

Gary Payton - 7.2 ppg 6.4 assists (shooting .077% from 3)
Steve Nash - 3.3ppg and 2.1 assists
Rondo - 6 ppg w/ 3.8 assists
Stockton - 5.6ppg and 5 assists
Walt Frazier 9ppg and 4 assists

Most of these guys were significantly older when they came into the league. Can we just stop predicting a 19-year-olds entire future off of the first half of his rookie year?

Frank needs to have more good games more frequently he just can't show up whenever he feels like it. Lets just hope this frank turning point moving forward.

This kid is straight up focused on being a great team player and a winner. Please don't peg him as a malcontent, cause he's not.