OT: So 76ers can't even get a 2nd rounder for Okafor?!

[2010]

The 76ers are seeking a second round pick as Colangelo has dropped his previous asking price of two first round picks and then one first round pick and a solid player. 

While many teams have interest in Okafor as a long-term project, none are inclined to give up a second round pick.

 

We need to be all over this. If nothing else, for the sake of collecting assets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248153/Jahlil-Okafor-Pushing-Hard-For-Buyout

[Slamm Goodbody]

Doesn't seem like much of an asset if they can't turn him into a 2nd rounder.

[jonny31623]

i think embid needs a defensive mentor.

noah
for
amir and jahil.

waive both.....

that would be a dream come true.

[JXL]

No, and no. He would walk after this season, considering our logjam at center. Kanter and O'Quinn are filling in nice (some night) at the position. Adding Okafor would compound it.

[2010]

Doesn't seem like much of an asset if they can't turn him into a 2nd rounder.

Buy low, sell high.

Okafor's worth is at an all time low. You jump on this now, next season KOQ will opt out and Kanter may opt out as well. We could easily be left with only Willy and Noah at C next year. Okafor would have every opportunity to up his value with an increased role. He is still incredibly young.

[MP4LIFE]

Doesn't seem like much of an asset if they can't turn him into a 2nd rounder.

Yeah, that makes no sense.

Let's get this guy - he's an asset!

*Article states nobody will even trade a 2nd rounder for him*

[IllmaticHandler]

Doesn't seem like much of an asset if they can't turn him into a 2nd rounder.

Buy low, sell high.

Okafor's worth is at an all time low. You jump on this now, next season KOQ will opt out and Kanter may opt out as well. We could easily be left with only Willy and Noah at C next year. Okafor would have every opportunity to up his value with an increased role. He is still incredibly young.

How can you Sell High when he won't be a starter here. You basically trading him into the SAME situation he is in Philly. Kanter > OK4

[taj2133]

i will trade him for second rounder the way willy and kyle oquin have been playing really badly of late it won't hurt us

[BBALLER4FR]

Where does he play? Behind Kanter? That's a mighty "eff you" to a guy who's given his heart for the team to date...And you know everybody here will be pushing for him to start with Frank and Dotson on day one. I wouldn't look at bigs until we get rod of 2 current bigs. Too much of a headache.

[2010]

Doesn't seem like much of an asset if they can't turn him into a 2nd rounder.

Buy low, sell high.

Okafor's worth is at an all time low. You jump on this now, next season KOQ will opt out and Kanter may opt out as well. We could easily be left with only Willy and Noah at C next year. Okafor would have every opportunity to up his value with an increased role. He is still incredibly young.

How can you Sell High when he won't be a starter here. You basically trading him into the SAME situation he is in Philly. Kanter > OK4

I'm taking the long view looking towards next year and beyond. Both Kanter and Kyle can opt out at season's end. And if they do, with out cap situation I doubt we'd re-sign them. Okafor could easily end up stepping into that Kanter role next year if we acquired him. Which would put him in position to up his value and show he can play in this league. At that point we could keep him or flip him elsewhere for another asset. I doubt his value can get any lower than it currently is.

[Meat]

he might be good for franks development, man he' still so young

[Blockwatcher]

Na, if he plays good he'll want a payday. If he sux we threw away a 2nd.
Unless we trade Oquinn and Willy and Kanter

[Jeff Van Gully]

imagine him and billy sulking and snaking each other. pause.

[2010]

I don't think teams are reluctant to give up a 2nd cuz they think Okafor forgot how to play.

I think it has more to do with "why give up anything for him when he may eventually be bought out and we can get him without relinquishing an asset?"

[IllmaticHandler]

imagine him and billy sulking and snaking each other. pause.

Sulk Brothers> Splash Brothers?

[IllmaticHandler]

I don't think teams are reluctant to give up a 2nd cuz they think Okafor forgot how to play.

I think it has more to do with "why give up anything for him when he may eventually be bought out and we can get him without relinquishing an asset?"

he does suck. Cause he should be the defacto Back-Up center and he is NOT. They not even trying to boost his value and play him...why? cause they trying to win games.

[Wolfgang630]

I don't think teams are reluctant to give up a 2nd cuz they think Okafor forgot how to play.

I think it has more to do with "why give up anything for him when he may eventually be bought out and we can get him without relinquishing an asset?"

He just needs to go to San Antonio and he’ll be fine.

[NoLayupRule]

The 76ers are seeking a second round pick as Colangelo has dropped his previous asking price of two first round picks and then one first round pick and a solid player. 

While many teams have interest in Okafor as a long-term project, none are inclined to give up a second round pick.

 

We need to be all over this. If nothing else, for the sake of collecting assets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248153/Jahlil-Okafor-Pushing-Hard-For-Buyout

the problem and possible benefit is that he's a UFA this summer

why would anyone give up an asset for a guy who can be signed outright or walk in the summer?
If we have interest in him lets just see his value this coming summer, and our roster

[Slamm Goodbody]

Buy low, sell high.

Okafor's worth is at an all time low. You jump on this now, next season KOQ will opt out and Kanter may opt out as well. We could easily be left with only Willy and Noah at C next year. Okafor would have every opportunity to up his value with an increased role. He is still incredibly young.

How can you Sell High when he won't be a starter here. You basically trading him into the SAME situation he is in Philly. Kanter > OK4

I'm taking the long view looking towards next year and beyond. Both Kanter and Kyle can opt out at season's end. And if they do, with out cap situation I doubt we'd re-sign them. Okafor could easily end up stepping into that Kanter role next year if we acquired him. Which would put him in position to up his value and show he can play in this league. At that point we could keep him or flip him elsewhere for another asset. I doubt his value can get any lower than it currently is.

The long view is that he isn't happy where he's at because of where he sits on the depth chart so he's not going to develop in a situation which is just as logjammed. In a vacuum I see what you're saying: he's young and still has the physical tools to be an NBA player. In reality this isn't the place for him to develop absent some major house cleaning by the front office on our forward depth.

[moocow007]

For those thinking about trading a 2nd round pick to Philly for Okafor (on the notion that the way the Knicks are playing that 2nd round pick may not be as valuable)...

The Knicks DO NOT have any 2nd round picks of their own until 2022.

Here's the status of every 2nd round pick from 2018 thru 2021 (that's 4 seasons):

2018 second round draft pick to Philadelphia (swap, L.A. Clippers incoming)
Philadelphia will receive the more favorable of the L.A. Clippers' 2018 2nd round pick and New York's 2018 2nd round pick and New York will receive the less favorable of these two picks (via Philadelphia's right to swap L.A. Clippers for New York) [L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/20/2014; New York-Philadelphia, 10/27/2014]

2019 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
New York's 2019 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [New York-Philadelphia, 10/27/2014]

2020 second round draft pick to Philadelphia or Orlando
Philadelphia will receive the more favorable of Brooklyn's 2020 2nd round pick and New York's 2020 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the less favorable of these two picks (via Philadelphia) [Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 12/11/2014; New York-Philadelphia, 6/26/2015; Orlando-Philadelphia, 6/22/2017]

2021 second round draft pick to Philadelphia
New York's 2021 2nd round pick to Philadelphia [New York-Philadelphia, 6/26/2015]

Now the Knicks DO have the Bulls 2nd round pick in the 2018 draft (also POSSIBLY the Clippers 2nd round pick though I believe that's already been re-routed...and the worst 2nd rounder of the following 3 teams in 2019: Cavs, Rockets, Magic). That Bulls 2018 2nd round pick (the Bulls currently are clearly the worst team in the NBA) very well could be the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round which is EXTREMELY valuable.

So again...the Knicks will not have their own 2nd round pick until 2022. They have just 2 (likely) 2nd round picks (acquired from other teams) until then. In the same manner of not trading any 1st round picks, I would also strongly suggest not trading any 2nd round picks (and certainly not that Bulls 2018 2nd round pick) unless you are getting some one locked in long term AND with some significant value. Okafor being a UFA at seasons end pretty much kills that idea.

Honestly I would not even trade someone like Kyle O'Quinn for Okafor as you can at least get a 2nd round pick for O'Quinn. If the Knicks want Okafor they can try to sign him as a UFA in the offseason. At best he's an MLE level player value wise. And that's not considering what they play on doing with him with Porzingis, Hernangomez and (possibly) Kanter back on the team next year.