what waste of roster spot and money ron baker to dleague tonight according to ian begeley

[NBA Fan 1234]

If hustling wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If defense wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If playmaking wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. He needs work, yeah, but he's not hurting the cap at all. The same idiots who used to **** on Jared Jeffries when he had a simplified role and he played damn well in that role are the same people hating on Baker.

j
jared jeffries was the number 11 pick in 2002 was defense forward and baker is un drafted player 12-15 man but not for 4.5 million he just a locker room guy that is it.

What's your obsession with where guys are drafted? Who the **** cares? Jeffries wasn't viewed as a defense only, he was viewed as a legit TWO WAY PLAYER because of his offense at Indiana.

Baker would have been, at worst, a second round lock (possibly late first) if he came out after killing it in the NCAA tournament v Kentucky a few years ago. He would have been a lock to be drafted if he left after his junior year either. The only reason he went undrafted was because he's a combo guard who stayed 4 years. 4.5 million is NOTHING on the cap. He's 24...not some guy who will never improve. He's Matt Delly - combo guard who'd thrive next to a playmaking 2 or 3...aka, a tertiary playmaker, defense/hustle guy, who hits open shots. If Baker doesn't become anything, he's an expiring next year so it's a moot point anyway.

My point in bringing Jeffries into this is that they are the same type of player - glue guys who don't look great on the box score, but do all of the little things that help teams win. Jeffries was shat on until we started winning and people actually opened their eyes to what he brought to the table.

Don't bother responding because I'm officially done responding to your posts.

[taj2133]

clarkson is sooooooo good that his mpg the past 3 seasons

2015-16 - 32 mpg
2016-17 - 29 mpg
2017-18 - 22 mpg

2015-16 15.5 points 2 assist43 percent shooting 34 percent from three
2016-2017 14.7 points 2.6 assist 44.5 percent 32 percent from three
2017-2018 15 points 3 assist 49 percent shooting and 37 percent from three in 22 minutes but those numbers are so bad according to you blue orange
'15-'16
LAL
79 79 32.3 6.0-13.9 .433 1.4-4.1 .347 2.1-2.6 .804 1.2 2.8 4.0 2.4 0.1 1.1 2.1 1.7 15.5
'16-'17
LAL
82 19 29.2 5.8-13.1 .445 1.4-4.3 .329 1.6-2.0 .798 0.6 2.4 3.0 2.6 0.1 1.1 1.8 2.0 14.7
'17-'18
LAL
21 0 22.6 6.1-12.3 .494 1.2-3.2 .373 2.0-2.7 .754 0.8 2.1 2.9 3.0 0.0 0.7 1.6 1.8 15.4
Career 241 136 28.6 5.6-12.5 .445 1.2-3.6 .337 2.0-2.4 .804 0.9 2.5 3.4 2.8 0.1 1.0 1.9 1.8 14.3
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2528426/jordan-clarkson

[taj2133]

If hustling wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If defense wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If playmaking wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. He needs work, yeah, but he's not hurting the cap at all. The same idiots who used to **** on Jared Jeffries when he had a simplified role and he played damn well in that role are the same people hating on Baker.

j
jared jeffries was the number 11 pick in 2002 was defense forward and baker is un drafted player 12-15 man but not for 4.5 million he just a locker room guy that is it.

What's your obsession with where guys are drafted? Who the **** cares? Jeffries wasn't viewed as a defense only, he was viewed as a legit TWO WAY PLAYER because of his offense at Indiana.

Baker would have been, at worst, a second round lock (possibly late first) if he came out after killing it in the NCAA tournament v Kentucky a few years ago. He would have been a lock to be drafted if he left after his junior year either. The only reason he went undrafted was because he's a combo guard who stayed 4 years. 4.5 million is NOTHING on the cap. He's 24...not some guy who will never improve. He's Matt Delly - combo guard who'd thrive next to a playmaking 2 or 3...aka, a tertiary playmaker, defense/hustle guy, who hits open shots. If Baker doesn't become anything, he's an expiring next year so it's a moot point anyway.

My point in bringing Jeffries into this is that they are the same type of player - glue guys who don't look great on the box score, but do all of the little things that help teams win. Jeffries was shat on until we started winning and people actually opened their eyes to what he brought to the table.

Don't bother responding because I'm officially done responding to your posts.

i going say this when people were make personal attacks earlier today just let them but you didn't do anything to them but you find me troll okay

[taj2133]

If hustling wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If defense wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. If playmaking wasn't a skill, everyone would be doing it. He needs work, yeah, but he's not hurting the cap at all. The same idiots who used to **** on Jared Jeffries when he had a simplified role and he played damn well in that role are the same people hating on Baker.

j
jared jeffries was the number 11 pick in 2002 was defense forward and baker is un drafted player 12-15 man but not for 4.5 million he just a locker room guy that is it.

What's your obsession with where guys are drafted? Who the **** cares? Jeffries wasn't viewed as a defense only, he was viewed as a legit TWO WAY PLAYER because of his offense at Indiana.

Baker would have been, at worst, a second round lock (possibly late first) if he came out after killing it in the NCAA tournament v Kentucky a few years ago. He would have been a lock to be drafted if he left after his junior year either. The only reason he went undrafted was because he's a combo guard who stayed 4 years. 4.5 million is NOTHING on the cap. He's 24...not some guy who will never improve. He's Matt Delly - combo guard who'd thrive next to a playmaking 2 or 3...aka, a tertiary playmaker, defense/hustle guy, who hits open shots. If Baker doesn't become anything, he's an expiring next year so it's a moot point anyway.

My point in bringing Jeffries into this is that they are the same type of player - glue guys who don't look great on the box score, but do all of the little things that help teams win. Jeffries was shat on until we started winning and people actually opened their eyes to what he brought to the table.

Don't bother responding because I'm officially done responding to your posts.

all i did was post my opinion on the subject

[Garbagelo]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that what a large ignorant contingent of Knick fans consider to be a good player is someone who puts up alot of empty stats, makes highlight plays, are great at 1 on 1 basketball, and plays aggressively no matter what.

Nothing else matters.

[blueNorange]

the same person that say jordan clarkson shooting 49 percent is bad shooting percentage

lolwut?

i never said shooting 49% is bad, what i did say was jordan clarkson sucks as a basketball player.

you didn't give credit to the kid you said everything he did was bad on court including his shooting percentage and play making.

that's too many specifics for me, i always say player ___ sucks.

[taj2133]

lolwut?

i never said shooting 49% is bad, what i did say was jordan clarkson sucks as a basketball player.

you didn't give credit to the kid you said everything he did was bad on court including his shooting percentage and play making.

that's too many specifics for me, i always say player ___ sucks.

then your just trolling then

[blueNorange]

clarkson is sooooooo good that his mpg the past 3 seasons

2015-16 - 32 mpg
2016-17 - 29 mpg
2017-18 - 22 mpg

2015-16 15.5 points 2 assist43 percent shooting 34 percent from three
2016-2017 14.7 points 2.6 assist 44.5 percent 32 percent from three
2017-2018 15 points 3 assist 49 percent shooting and 37 percent from three in 22 minutes but those numbers are so bad according to you blue orange
'15-'16
LAL
79 79 32.3 6.0-13.9 .433 1.4-4.1 .347 2.1-2.6 .804 1.2 2.8 4.0 2.4 0.1 1.1 2.1 1.7 15.5
'16-'17
LAL
82 19 29.2 5.8-13.1 .445 1.4-4.3 .329 1.6-2.0 .798 0.6 2.4 3.0 2.6 0.1 1.1 1.8 2.0 14.7
'17-'18
LAL
21 0 22.6 6.1-12.3 .494 1.2-3.2 .373 2.0-2.7 .754 0.8 2.1 2.9 3.0 0.0 0.7 1.6 1.8 15.4
Career 241 136 28.6 5.6-12.5 .445 1.2-3.6 .337 2.0-2.4 .804 0.9 2.5 3.4 2.8 0.1 1.0 1.9 1.8 14.3
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2528426/jordan-clarkson

hahaha

what does this even mean other than you know how google works?

[taj2133]

clarkson is sooooooo good that his mpg the past 3 seasons

2015-16 - 32 mpg
2016-17 - 29 mpg
2017-18 - 22 mpg

2015-16 15.5 points 2 assist43 percent shooting 34 percent from three
2016-2017 14.7 points 2.6 assist 44.5 percent 32 percent from three
2017-2018 15 points 3 assist 49 percent shooting and 37 percent from three in 22 minutes but those numbers are so bad according to you blue orange
'15-'16
LAL
79 79 32.3 6.0-13.9 .433 1.4-4.1 .347 2.1-2.6 .804 1.2 2.8 4.0 2.4 0.1 1.1 2.1 1.7 15.5
'16-'17
you are just in denial man
LAL
82 19 29.2 5.8-13.1 .445 1.4-4.3 .329 1.6-2.0 .798 0.6 2.4 3.0 2.6 0.1 1.1 1.8 2.0 14.7
'17-'18
LAL
21 0 22.6 6.1-12.3 .494 1.2-3.2 .373 2.0-2.7 .754 0.8 2.1 2.9 3.0 0.0 0.7 1.6 1.8 15.4
Career 241 136 28.6 5.6-12.5 .445 1.2-3.6 .337 2.0-2.4 .804 0.9 2.5 3.4 2.8 0.1 1.0 1.9 1.8 14.3
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2528426/jordan-clarkson

hahaha

what does this even mean other than you know how google works?

[blueNorange]

you didn't give credit to the kid you said everything he did was bad on court including his shooting percentage and play making.

that's too many specifics for me, i always say player ___ sucks.

then your just trolling then

[taj2133]

clarkson is sooooooo good that his mpg the past 3 seasons

2015-16 - 32 mpg
2016-17 - 29 mpg
2017-18 - 22 mpg

2015-16 15.5 points 2 assist43 percent shooting 34 percent from three
2016-2017 14.7 points 2.6 assist 44.5 percent 32 percent from three
2017-2018 15 points 3 assist 49 percent shooting and 37 percent from three in 22 minutes but those numbers are so bad according to you blue orange
'15-'16
LAL
79 79 32.3 6.0-13.9 .433 1.4-4.1 .347 2.1-2.6 .804 1.2 2.8 4.0 2.4 0.1 1.1 2.1 1.7 15.5
'16-'17



LAL
82 19 29.2 5.8-13.1 .445 1.4-4.3 .329 1.6-2.0 .798 0.6 2.4 3.0 2.6 0.1 1.1 1.8 2.0 14.7
'17-'18
LAL
21 0 22.6 6.1-12.3 .494 1.2-3.2 .373 2.0-2.7 .754 0.8 2.1 2.9 3.0 0.0 0.7 1.6 1.8 15.4
Career 241 136 28.6 5.6-12.5 .445 1.2-3.6 .337 2.0-2.4 .804 0.9 2.5 3.4 2.8 0.1 1.0 1.9 1.8 14.3
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2528426/jordan-clarkson

hahaha

what does this even mean other than you know how google works?

you are just in denial man

[Bill Pidto]

You guys are a bunch of Monday mornin QBs. Always have been, always will be.

Last year, everyone admired Baker so much. This year, he hasn't gotten a chance on a surprisingly good Knicks team, and he's a total waste? Now you go around the league and pick out all the players being paid similar money, producing better numbers, and you're gonna rant about how we should have signed them instead?

Doesn't take a genius to do that sh*t.

It's kinda like saying Phil would have been a fool to sign George Hill instead of Timmy, meanwhile, before the season, Hill would have been considered a good signing by most, while Timmy's deal was almost universally hated here.

And guess who DID sign George Hill to the Kings... your boy Scott Perry lollll.

You can't make this stuff up. Some of you just need to learn to shut the hell up. So foolish.

I'm sure Baker will get his chance at some point, and the same fools going "derp, I was wrong about Frank", or "derp, I was wrong about Kanter", or "derp, maybe Noah deserves some minutes", or "derp, maybe Willy isn't a G-league candidate"... will be saying "derp, Baker isn't a total waste anymore".

How about, "derp, I have no idea what the hell I'm even talking about half the time".

Something about die-hard sports fans, man...

[taj2133]

that's too many specifics for me, i always say player ___ sucks.

then your just trolling then

you can't give credit when credit is due man shame on you homie

[DOT]

We were over the cap when we signed him

If KOQ opts out and Kanter opts in, which is the most likely scenario, we still wouldn't have any money regardless of Baker's contract

Assuming our first is between 8-11, that's 4 million, then two 2nds at 1.5 per brings us to a whopping 3 million in cap space, and that's if we renounce Doug (which we shouldn't). Doug will cost minimum 8 million, so the only way Baker's contract matters is if Kanter opts out, at which point it's the difference between 13 and 17 million, which there is no significant difference between. Plus, if we had to, somebody would gladly take Lee from us, so we could clear cap that way

Literally no effect on our cap situation

And sure, you can say that it's cause you don't think he "earned" it, to which I say, that's a stupid argument. If we're talking about players making more money than they should, I wouldn't even mention Baker. Hell, he's not even the worst contract on our team when it comes to players making more than they deserve

I don't get why people keep talking about it

[Oscirus]

Spending money on stupid **** is still spending money on stupid **** regardless of how it affects the cap. You don't think other free agents will look at stupid **** like this and negotiate comparatively?

How the hell anybody can consider 9 million dollars for hustle money well spent is beyond me.

[taj2133]

Spending money on stupid **** is still spending money on stupid **** regardless of how it affects the cap. You don't think other free agents will look at stupid **** like this and negotiate comparatively?

How the hell anybody can consider 9 million dollars for hustle money well spent is beyond me.

agreed

[waya]

Spending money on stupid **** is still spending money on stupid **** regardless of how it affects the cap. You don't think other free agents will look at stupid **** like this and negotiate comparatively?

How the hell anybody can consider 9 million dollars for hustle money well spent is beyond me.

Watch our games from the 2nd half of last season and tell me he doesn't make winning plays. Extra passes, deflections, rotations, off-ball screens, boxing out PF's and C's. Those aren't just hustle plays, thats playing smart. Basically the opposite of what Derrick Rose was doing.

If he doesn't contribute here, he will on some other NBA team. I have no doubt about that.

[Oscirus]

Spending money on stupid **** is still spending money on stupid **** regardless of how it affects the cap. You don't think other free agents will look at stupid **** like this and negotiate comparatively?

How the hell anybody can consider 9 million dollars for hustle money well spent is beyond me.

Watch our games from the 2nd half of last season and tell me he doesn't make winning plays. Extra passes, deflections, rotations, off-ball screens, boxing out PF's and C's. Those aren't just hustle plays, thats playing smart. Basically the opposite of what Derrick Rose was doing.

If he doesn't contribute here, he will on some other NBA team. I have no doubt about that.

Dude could barely bring the ball up the court and we didn't start winning till he went down. I'm not trying to put that losing streak on him because it was multiple things, but he didn't help. His only purpose in the nba is a human victory cigar

[Juco24]

I posted this in the PG thread... Still don't get the IMMENSE love for Baker. Got beat MULTIPLE times on defense. Had a couple nice passes along with one ugly turnover when he was pressured. Did get a coupla nice steals. As stated; smart player, tough with below NBA average handles and lacks quickness. And if you look at his scouting report prior to the draft, the scouting report stated pretty much the same! I don't dislike him but there are some who just makes it seem as though this was a good signing and IT WASN'T! Regardless of the money (which personally, I don't care about). No one can say 'WITHOUT BIAS' that ANY other team would've signed Ron for more than the bare minimum and again it's not about money but about the fact that the Knicks were the only NBA team who placed value upon signing Baker. And all this talk about playing the right way is great and all but don't make it out to say that Baker is a necessity to a successful season. Because he isn't and he never will be. He's a 6'4" tweener who lacks quickness, isn't a lights out shooter (ala Joe Harris), isn't a great ball handler and isn't this lockdown defender that I read some said he was. So I ask again... what is with this love affair with Baker? Because he's a good kid? Tries hard? What???

[Amsterdam]

Spending money on stupid **** is still spending money on stupid **** regardless of how it affects the cap. You don't think other free agents will look at stupid **** like this and negotiate comparatively?

How the hell anybody can consider 9 million dollars for hustle money well spent is beyond me.

Watch our games from the 2nd half of last season and tell me he doesn't make winning plays. Extra passes, deflections, rotations, off-ball screens, boxing out PF's and C's. Those aren't just hustle plays, thats playing smart. Basically the opposite of what Derrick Rose was doing.

If he doesn't contribute here, he will on some other NBA team. I have no doubt about that.

Dude could barely bring the ball up the court and we didn't start winning till he went down. I'm not trying to put that losing streak on him because it was multiple things, but he didn't help. His only purpose in the nba is a human victory cigar

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