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Portland PG: Comebacks are for Suckers

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Re: Portland PG: Comebacks are for Suckers 

Post#201 » by LugerLex » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:36 pm

KP averaging 7 boards is so ugly
Bro... you’re 7’3

Get down low and grab 10-11 rebounds
28/7/2/1 or 28/10/2/1

Which one is legit star level play and which one is on the brink

KP might make it to that level but he’s not that guy that you want him to be yet. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. He’s a big mf and he doesn’t have enough stamina to give 100% effort a whole game. There’s not one excuse for why Kp shouldn’t be able to rebound with the exact same intensity as kanter.
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Post#202 » by taj2133 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:40 pm

looks like kp is calling out all our guard especially our point guards
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The general consensus was that a lack of energy and poor ball movement doomed the Knicks last night against Portland. The talent gap certainly played a role as well. New York had just 5 assists at halftime and trailed by 26 after 3 quarters. Kristaps Porzingis said Portland left NYK open often early in the game and the Knicks forced shots in some of those possessions, failing to get everyone involved on offense. Porzingis pointed out that when everyone is involved on offense, it sometimes sparks greater effort on defense. Effort on defense was certainly lacking against Portland.
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Post#203 » by Greenie » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:43 pm

Me at KP right now...

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Post#204 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:49 pm

Greenie wrote:Me at KP right now...

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Are those the pointy little whites of your retractable vampire fangs poking out or just popcorn stuck to your gums?
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Post#205 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:53 pm

LugerLex wrote:KP averaging 7 boards is so ugly
Bro... you’re 7’3

Get down low and grab 10-11 rebounds
28/7/2/1 or 28/10/2/1

Which one is legit star level play and which one is on the brink

KP might make it to that level but he’s not that guy that you want him to be yet. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. He’s a big mf and he doesn’t have enough stamina to give 100% effort a whole game. There’s not one excuse for why Kp shouldn’t be able to rebound with the exact same intensity as kanter.


There is a huge difference in their physical types. One is built to bang down low all night and the other isn't. And the banger evidently got banged up enough that they are out. No, they are not the same at all. Being the tallest player on the court is not the primary trait of dominant rebounders. If it were, then Rodman and Moses Malone would not have been all-time rebounders.
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Post#206 » by BeagleBoss » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:05 pm

We really REALLY miss Kanter. Not just his play on the court but he brings that swag and energy and toughness. We just don't get that with Willy right now. And KP hasn't been playing like a top 5 player like he was earlier in the season.

All things considered, it's a .500 team at best. I think I rather tank.
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Post#207 » by Dr. Detfink » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:06 pm

LugerLex wrote:KP averaging 7 boards is so ugly
Bro... you’re 7’3

Get down low and grab 10-11 rebounds
28/7/2/1 or 28/10/2/1

Which one is legit star level play and which one is on the brink

KP might make it to that level but he’s not that guy that you want him to be yet. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. He’s a big mf and he doesn’t have enough stamina to give 100% effort a whole game. There’s not one excuse for why Kp shouldn’t be able to rebound with the exact same intensity as kanter.


Tha's jus crazy talk! :lol:

When your game is perimeter, launching uncontested jumpers from beyond the milky way, you are NOT going to zip past 5-6 guys to get the rebound 10-15 times per game. These guys are professionals, they know how to box out, slow down, and make it impossible to get your own jump shot 9/10 misses....

Amare Stoudemire...remember red whine bath? The guy who lost a fight against a fire extinguisher? Yeah him. This guy NEVER ONCE had double digit rebounds and he LIVED inside. Averaged a little over 7 rebounds for his career...and he was an All-Star multiple times.
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Post#209 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:10 pm

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Post#210 » by knuckles862 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:17 pm

Some of you are overrating kanter yeah he is a good player but kp playing at mvp level earlier in the season is the reason we were winning games not kanter
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Post#211 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:18 pm

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TrueWarrior wrote:Dont understand how Willy can come into the game when hes supposedly fighting for minutes and look like he cant give a damn on D. He played hard in the 4th, so where the hell was that all season and in practice? Jeff has been right to bench his ass.

Will never understand how “lack of effort” is a thing. The least a player can do, especially one in Willy’s predicament, is to play hard in the small minutes he’s out there. Namely on defense. We can forgive other stuff to rust, but Willy barely raises his arms on D half the time. He rolls out the red carpet. With Kanter we can see effort at least. Can’t stand players with motor issues.

Half of defense is just energy. Bring it. Noah does.

Noah is a great example

He gave 100% effort and it showed

Noah is gonna take Willys mins and he should

Willy might benefit from the g-league


Knicks should take advantage of using Willy in the G-League like they're doing Baker and Dotson. Staying ready and in game shape is vital, and riding the bench isn't helping him for a second. If Noah is really ready to contribute, they should think about putting Willy in the right spot.

thats how I feel

Willy is suffering from lack of rhythm and playing time
he can get both in the G-League and be actually ready when he's called up
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Post#212 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:20 pm

knuckles862 wrote:Some of you are overrating kanter yeah he is a good player but kp playing at mvp level earlier in the season is the reason we were winning games not kanter

the point is that Kanter allows KP to do his thing

KP doesn't have to bang down low for boards as much with Kanter
KP doesn't have to shoulder the full weight of the scoring with Kanter
KP and Kanter together force opponents to play bigger than a guy like KOQ who no-one really respects on offense
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Post#213 » by Knicks Byke » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:23 pm

knuckles862 wrote:Some of you are overrating kanter yeah he is a good player but kp playing at mvp level earlier in the season is the reason we were winning games not kanter


u dont think kanter has anything to do with that? forreal? bro wtf are u guys watching. smh.
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Post#214 » by Wolfgang630 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:29 pm

taj2133 wrote:looks like kp is calling out all our guard especially our point guards
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The general consensus was that a lack of energy and poor ball movement doomed the Knicks last night against Portland. The talent gap certainly played a role as well. New York had just 5 assists at halftime and trailed by 26 after 3 quarters. Kristaps Porzingis said Portland left NYK open often early in the game and the Knicks forced shots in some of those possessions, failing to get everyone involved on offense. Porzingis pointed out that when everyone is involved on offense, it sometimes sparks greater effort on defense. Effort on defense was certainly lacking against Portland.
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How many times has KP called the guards out? I know it's frustrating for him because he wants to win, but he'll have to realize our guards are not good and Frank is still learning.
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Post#215 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:38 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:KP last 7 games

21.7 PPG 7.0 RPG 1.3 APG
2.1 BPG 0.7 SPG
35% FG% 38% 3PT% 84% FT%

The 11 games before that

30.4 PPG 7.3 RPG 1.1 APG
0.4 SPG 2.3 BPG
51% FG% 41% 3PT% 84% FT%

If the former is his floor and the latter is his ceiling, the odds of this team making the playoffs shrink dramatically. We won games because he went nuclear and other guys filled in the gaps around him, mixed in with a few hot games from THJ.

It’s nice to see the kids hard work pay off with some W’s, but it would be more beneficial for this organization and KP long term if we can get at least one more core piece at the top of this draft. Particularly Doncic.



Too late.


The lakers were 10-10 at one point last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

This is just getting started.
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Post#216 » by Kurt Rambis » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:39 pm

KP is 22. Frank is 19. Future is bright if we play our moves smart.

What's important to have somebody to teach these guys fundamentals NOW. I don't want them to be like Amare who was trying to learn defense & post up at the age of 30. :lol:

Players like Kawhi, Pau Gasol two great examples for Frank & KP. Being slower or weak than your opponents doesn't mean you can't go to rim or play at post.
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Re: Portland PG: Comebacks are for Suckers 

Post#217 » by Kurt Rambis » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:41 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Greenie wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:KP last 7 games

21.7 PPG 7.0 RPG 1.3 APG
2.1 BPG 0.7 SPG
35% FG% 38% 3PT% 84% FT%

The 11 games before that

30.4 PPG 7.3 RPG 1.1 APG
0.4 SPG 2.3 BPG
51% FG% 41% 3PT% 84% FT%

If the former is his floor and the latter is his ceiling, the odds of this team making the playoffs shrink dramatically. We won games because he went nuclear and other guys filled in the gaps around him, mixed in with a few hot games from THJ.

It’s nice to see the kids hard work pay off with some W’s, but it would be more beneficial for this organization and KP long term if we can get at least one more core piece at the top of this draft. Particularly Doncic.



Too late.


The lakers were 10-10 at one point last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

This is just getting started.


Season starting now. Every season there are bad teams start fast and good teams slow. We'll see where we will be. Hopefully not somewhere in the middle.
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Post#218 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:51 pm

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knuckles862 wrote:Some of you are overrating kanter yeah he is a good player but kp playing at mvp level earlier in the season is the reason we were winning games not kanter

the point is that Kanter allows KP to do his thing

KP doesn't have to bang down low for boards as much with Kanter
KP doesn't have to shoulder the full weight of the scoring with Kanter
KP and Kanter together force opponents to play bigger than a guy like KOQ who no-one really respects on offense


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Post#219 » by Reign23 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:13 pm

brooklynbrawler wrote:At least Frank and Willy (kind of) snapped out of their funks


lol what? green font?

oh man frank doesn't look good these last couple of games. i'm a little bit worried, but just a little bit atm.

now it would be the perfect time to cash in on lee and kyle. hope perry works the phone hard.

we should go in full tank mode pretty soon. this team is playing the right way (defense and ball movement, most of the time) but the ceiling is limited. get some assets, a good draft pick, create cap space for 2018 or 2019 and I'm good.
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Re: Portland PG: Comebacks are for Suckers 

Post#220 » by LugerLex » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:21 pm

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LugerLex wrote:KP averaging 7 boards is so ugly
Bro... you’re 7’3

Get down low and grab 10-11 rebounds
28/7/2/1 or 28/10/2/1

Which one is legit star level play and which one is on the brink

KP might make it to that level but he’s not that guy that you want him to be yet. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. He’s a big mf and he doesn’t have enough stamina to give 100% effort a whole game. There’s not one excuse for why Kp shouldn’t be able to rebound with the exact same intensity as kanter.


Tha's jus crazy talk! :lol:

When your game is perimeter, launching uncontested jumpers from beyond the milky way, you are NOT going to zip past 5-6 guys to get the rebound 10-15 times per game. These guys are professionals, they know how to box out, slow down, and make it impossible to get your own jump shot 9/10 misses....

Amare Stoudemire...remember red whine bath? The guy who lost a fight against a fire extinguisher? Yeah him. This guy NEVER ONCE had double digit rebounds and he LIVED inside. Averaged a little over 7 rebounds for his career...and he was an All-Star multiple times.

Im aware of guys like Rodman, Barkley, draymond, ben Wallace etc. And given kanter has a different body type. Never would have guessed Amare never averaged double digits. If Kevin love can average 25/12 in a season and still have an outside game I think it’s fair to say Kp should at least be getting 9.3-9.5. We could be a top rebounding team in the league

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