Did the Knicks win the Melo trade?

[Adelheid]

With big money contracts come big responsibilities too...Dont forget that. That is why Melo and any other player who doesnt play up to their contracts get hated vigorously. Of course it should not have been like that because their agents and the FO came to a contract agreement for the said amount but it is what it is.

So when KP gets paid it’s all his fault if we don’t win?

"don't win" is not how I would put it. Team wins are produced by a conglomeration of factors: coaching(HC+coaching staff) , roster construction(FO), team chemistry and effort, and other things not mentioned. Look at Timmy; when Mills signed him up for "17m", lots of peeps here are up in arms including me. Nowadays, not much clamoring since he is almost playing up to the contract. Almost.

Max or near-max contracts...in the eyes of many pundits, has to be handed out to COMPLETE star-level players. There are special cases where it does or shoudnt apply (ex. Harden). KP plays on both ends of the floor but still has ways to go and is slightly injury-prone and is unreliable when it comes to game-time decisions. All these things will be under the scrutiny of the new GM and he should realize what to do next.

[blueNorange]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

[DOT]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

Add the trade exception we got to the list of things that've outplayed him

[Oscirus]

With big money contracts come big responsibilities too...Dont forget that. That is why Melo and any other player who doesnt play up to their contracts get hated vigorously. Of course it should not have been like that because their agents and the FO came to a contract agreement for the said amount but it is what it is.

So when KP gets paid it’s all his fault if we don’t win?

Yep his head on the block. Once you become a franchise player, you take responsibility for the franchise you choose to sign with.

[Clyde_Style]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

Knicks have three players in the top 50 of TS%, one of whom is Kanter who is in the top 10

[Jeffrey]

It's a win-win situation for Melo and the Knicks. A divorce that needed to happen.

[ctorres]

Don't have the patience right now to properly "quote" on here, but Amare's numbers were still solid even after the Knicks acquired Melo during the 2010-2011 season.

A'mare's numbers post-Melo trade that season:

25 games
36.8 mpg
23.5 ppg
49.1% fg's
80.0% ft's
7.3 rpg
2.4 apg
1.3 bpg

A'mare busted his back at the end of the season and his knees eventually gave out. That's why his numbers were never the same. It didn't really have much to do with Melo.

Tyson Chandler took over Amar'e role on offense as the pick and roll guy. That affected A'mare more than Melo.

[Greenie]

Revisiting Melo trade, it was a horrible job. You put two max front court players who don't play a zilch of defense and expect to win? LOL. Even without the Chandler signing or Amar'e injury, the combination was bound to fail big time. It didn't matter really. We could have gotten CP3 and we would still be mediocre.

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I think CP3 makes us a great team actually.

[Greenie]

Don't have the patience right now to properly "quote" on here, but Amare's numbers were still solid even after the Knicks acquired Melo during the 2010-2011 season.

A'mare's numbers post-Melo trade that season:

25 games
36.8 mpg
23.5 ppg
49.1% fg's
80.0% ft's
7.3 rpg
2.4 apg
1.3 bpg

A'mare busted his back at the end of the season and his knees eventually gave out. That's why his numbers were never the same. It didn't really have much to do with Melo.

Tyson Chandler took over Amar'e role on offense as the pick and roll guy. That affected A'mare more than Melo.

Right. STAT and Tyson was the weak fit.

Defensively STAT and Mo didn’t fit at all though. That led to Tyson.

[Greenie]

With big money contracts come big responsibilities too...Dont forget that. That is why Melo and any other player who doesnt play up to their contracts get hated vigorously. Of course it should not have been like that because their agents and the FO came to a contract agreement for the said amount but it is what it is.

So when KP gets paid it’s all his fault if we don’t win?

Yep his head on the block. Once you become a franchise player, you take responsibility for the franchise you choose to sign with.

That’s simply not fair to me.
I’m not getting in KP’s ass if we’re starting Jack like PG’s during his time here.

[IllmaticHandler]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

[KnicksGod]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

It's apples & oranges but Melo's numbers are atrocious. He is getting worse and McD better. Melo should be in a smaller role, like McD and maybe smaller.

[PeoplesChamp]

With big money contracts come big responsibilities too...Dont forget that. That is why Melo and any other player who doesnt play up to their contracts get hated vigorously. Of course it should not have been like that because their agents and the FO came to a contract agreement for the said amount but it is what it is.

So when KP gets paid it’s all his fault if we don’t win?

Yes. Comes with the territory of being a franchise player.

It was Melo's fault
It was Marbury's fault
It was Ewing's fault

That's just how it is.

[BKlutch]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

Yes, yes, and yes.

I’m addition, everybody in the team this year plays hard within the offense and plays D, or they don’t play. When Melo did neither, he still played. That causes instant dislike from a lot of fans and we’re still enjoying the fruits of this great trade.

[BKlutch]

18.1 ppg on 16.3 shots is not good
.408 fg% is not good
.508 ts% is not good
his defense is terrible

the title of the thread is if the knicks won the melo trade and the answer is obviously yes, smart fans saw the sharp decline from melo. the knicks traded him just in time before the floor bottomed out -- but also held onto him a year too long.

kanter has out played him
mcdermott has out played him
the 2nd rounder has outplayed him

It's apples & oranges but Melo's numbers are atrocious. He is getting worse and McD better. Melo should be in a smaller role, like McD and maybe smaller.

YES

[Adelheid]

Revisiting Melo trade, it was a horrible job. You put two max front court players who don't play a zilch of defense and expect to win? LOL. Even without the Chandler signing or Amar'e injury, the combination was bound to fail big time. It didn't matter really. We could have gotten CP3 and we would still be mediocre.

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Knicks organization's infatuation with big guys being the superstars of the team while completely neglecting the pg position. Still living the Ewing glory days of carrying the team on his back with noone but himself. Those days came to an end a long time ago and this is a new age of basketball.

[Clyde_Style]

With big money contracts come big responsibilities too...Dont forget that. That is why Melo and any other player who doesnt play up to their contracts get hated vigorously. Of course it should not have been like that because their agents and the FO came to a contract agreement for the said amount but it is what it is.

So when KP gets paid it’s all his fault if we don’t win?

Yes. Comes with the territory of being a franchise player.

It was Melo's fault
It was Marbury's fault
It was Ewing's fault

That's just how it is.

Melo wanted the glory of winning in NYC without even having a clue about what that would take from him. Melo thought playing hard was enough, but for him playing hard meant grinding at his brand of ball, not necessarily playing hard at team basketball and team defense. He never evolved his game unless you call playing less bully ball as you get older evolving.

You get the biggest paycheck in the league, then you better bet the pressure should be on you to lead your team whatever the quality of the roster is around you. But he couldn't. Just like his misunderstanding of playing hard, he mistakenly thought leadership is being mellow Melo, smiling like a stoned hippie and being buds with your teammates. He was too lazy to lead by example, by showing up in top condition, by playing defense full-time.

Making him the highest paid player in the league was a stunning act of stupidity by Phil. You only pay someone those dollars if they are a full-time two-way player with leadership skills.

Melo never got it. He has no legacy.