Post game: No Papa Johns

[GONYK]

GTFOH!

I'm not saying the Knicks are world beaters, but to use this 6 game stretch as the measuring stick for the season this far is pretty disingenuous

We're not this bad if we're back to full(er) strength, but Frank and Baker have had nagging injuries too. The club overall is not that healthy right now

My only takeaway is this coincides with the easier part of the schedule so even if we get back to full strength this was the time to bank wins if you're playoff-bound,

so methinks they won't make it there

so I'm on the tank wagon now

Easy to forget its a rebuild year when we're swinging from the chandeliers

I'm fine with tanking. I was never not fine with it.

I'm just not fine with people ignoring reality to fit their agenda.

[Blockwatcher]

Lol @ people acting like we will be winning with KP and T hard in January on the road. O yea, we have shown a great propensity to win on the road this season...

[KnicksGod]

Come, my children. Embrace the tank. Develop the youth. Organically build a contender.

Sounds good but 2 of the last 3 drafts were supposed to be stacked. The one three years ago had 1 or 2 top players. This last one has a couple good players but some busts in the making.

Russell, Okafor, Jackson, Ball, heck I don't even see Fox as that impactful even in a few years ... the list goes on & on. It's far far far from some safe place.

[GONYK]

GTFOH!

I'm not saying the Knicks are world beaters, but to use this 6 game stretch as the measuring stick for the season this far is pretty disingenuous

No it’s not when people are preaching system and culture being fixed.

Losing your franchise player on top of additional 18ppg scorers hurts, no matter what your system and culture are.

The fact that the Knicks aren't talented enough to overcome that still doesn't mean that the last 6 games is who this team is.

That kind analysis is better served for teams who are still sh*tty when all their talent is on the floor every night.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Knicks honestly need at least 1 more blue chip prospect. 1 prospect who can be better than KP or at least a legit 2nd option next to KP.

I never envisioned Frank as an all-star, but more as a glue guy on a elite level team. A starter who is a terrific defender, able to consistently hit the 3 and be a solid playmaker. Maybe like the PG version of a Draymond.

If we get that prospect and hit a hr with the pick, it'll be much easier to contend for a title. Then we can sign solid or even elite level free agents if we are smart with our cap space.

[RHODEY]

[Greenie]

It's almost like there were a bunch of injuries to the best players on the team.

Same **** different day.

Two players are hurt. 2.

The roster as a whole, sucks.

It’s almost as if I’ve seen this **** before.

True or false? Our three best players have all missed time in the last 6 games.

All of a sudden, all players are created equal and losing KP, Kanter, and Timmy doesn't mean more than losing Baker and Noah.

And? Players miss games everyday.

That doesn’t mean we should be looking like pure garbage while giving up 38 point leads to teams. Especially if our so called culture has been changed. All year that’s what I’ve been hearing. When a culture changes it hits more than 2 or 3 players. It’s organizational.

[Red Vines]

The next five games are winnable if KP comes back. We should be above .500 when we play OKC. I wouldn't count on a tank anytime soon.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm not saying the Knicks are world beaters, but to use this 6 game stretch as the measuring stick for the season this far is pretty disingenuous

We're not this bad if we're back to full(er) strength, but Frank and Baker have had nagging injuries too. The club overall is not that healthy right now

My only takeaway is this coincides with the easier part of the schedule so even if we get back to full strength this was the time to bank wins if you're playoff-bound,

so methinks they won't make it there

so I'm on the tank wagon now

Easy to forget its a rebuild year when we're swinging from the chandeliers

I'm fine with tanking. I was never not fine with it.

I'm just not fine with people ignoring reality to fit their agenda.

That's why I mostly stay out of the convos about how awful someone played each night.

I've never found a single game to be that significant, good or bad, in regards to any player.

The bird's eye view does say now is the time to tank. That could mean longer rehabs for KP & Timmy. Maybe elbow surgery so KP is lock and loaded for next year. I'm down with all of that. And I sure Perry will do some trades.

My gut says Perry and Mills are also going to be all about the tank now that December is cratering.

[KnicksGod]

Look at the Wiz's repeated tanks ...

Wall is overrated, Beal is the new Jamal Crawford and Porter is probably the guy I think actually has some testicular fortitude and skill. And he was unheralded.

Bah. BAH.

[Greenie]

I'm not saying the Knicks are world beaters, but to use this 6 game stretch as the measuring stick for the season this far is pretty disingenuous

No it’s not when people are preaching system and culture being fixed.

Losing your franchise player on top of additional 18ppg scorers hurts, no matter what your system and culture are.

The fact that the Knicks aren't talented enough to overcome that still doesn't mean that the last 6 games is who this team is.

That kind analysis is better served for teams who are still sh*tty when all their talent is on the floor every night.

We have been smacked plenty and humbled at full strength.

The Celtics and Cavs come to mind right away.

[Clyde_Style]

The next five games are winnable if KP comes back. We should be above .500 when we play OKC. I wouldn't count on a tank anytime soon.

......... just when my treads were starting to turn, harumph!

[F N 11]

Can't tell me Burke can't help this team. This situation reminds me of when we had Shimpert running point and we played Lin and he went off. Knicks forever need a point guard. Frank will take time.

[Red Vines]

The next five games are winnable if KP comes back. We should be above .500 when we play OKC. I wouldn't count on a tank anytime soon.

......... just when my treads were starting to turn, harumph!

Grizz, Bulls, Hawks, Lakers, Nets...some sorry teams.

[DrKnick]

Well, back to the drawing board.

[GONYK]

Same **** different day.

Two players are hurt. 2.

The roster as a whole, sucks.

It’s almost as if I’ve seen this **** before.

True or false? Our three best players have all missed time in the last 6 games.

All of a sudden, all players are created equal and losing KP, Kanter, and Timmy doesn't mean more than losing Baker and Noah.

And? Players miss games everyday.

That doesn’t mean we should be looking like pure garbage while giving up 38 point leads to teams. Especially if our so called culture has been changed. All year that’s what I’ve been hearing. When a culture changes it hits more than 2 or 3 players. It’s organizational.

Unless culture is going to go out there and run the PnR, this yard stick you're pulling out is irrelevant. Teams come out flat all the time at full strength, let alone when they are missing 44 pts from their lineup. Everyone from the Warriors to the Bulls will have games like this.

Where was this yesterday when they were playing gritty ball? What about when they waxed Miami?

I guess the Heat have terrible culture now, since they lost on a back-to-back on the road. Same with the Thunder, Spurs, Warriors, Cavs, etc...

I'm not saying the Knicks are the Spurs culture wise, but measuring them during the stretch makes no sense

[GONYK]

No it’s not when people are preaching system and culture being fixed.

Losing your franchise player on top of additional 18ppg scorers hurts, no matter what your system and culture are.

The fact that the Knicks aren't talented enough to overcome that still doesn't mean that the last 6 games is who this team is.

That kind analysis is better served for teams who are still sh*tty when all their talent is on the floor every night.

We have been smacked plenty and humbled at full strength.

The Celtics and Cavs come to mind right away.

Oh, more talented teams? What a surprise. I seem to remember us smacking around Cleveland on the road too.

Do teams with good culture go undefeated?

[3toheadmelo]

Same **** different day.

Two players are hurt. 2.

The roster as a whole, sucks.

It’s almost as if I’ve seen this **** before.

True or false? Our three best players have all missed time in the last 6 games.

All of a sudden, all players are created equal and losing KP, Kanter, and Timmy doesn't mean more than losing Baker and Noah.

And? Players miss games everyday.

That doesn’t mean we should be looking like pure garbage while giving up 38 point leads to teams. Especially if our so called culture has been changed. All year that’s what I’ve been hearing. When a culture changes it hits more than 2 or 3 players. It’s organizational.

facts
spurs rallied back from a 15 point deficit to OKC without aldridge/kawhi/gay... ain't no culture over here

[Greenie]

True or false? Our three best players have all missed time in the last 6 games.

All of a sudden, all players are created equal and losing KP, Kanter, and Timmy doesn't mean more than losing Baker and Noah.

And? Players miss games everyday.

That doesn’t mean we should be looking like pure garbage while giving up 38 point leads to teams. Especially if our so called culture has been changed. All year that’s what I’ve been hearing. When a culture changes it hits more than 2 or 3 players. It’s organizational.

Unless culture is going to go out there and run the PnR, this yard stick you're pulling out is irrelevant. Teams come out flat all the time at full strength, let alone when they are missing 44 pts from their lineup. Everyone from the Warriors to the Bulls will have games like this.

Where was this yesterday when they were playing gritty ball? What about when they waxed Miami?

I guess the Heat have terrible culture now, since they lost on a back-to-back on the road. Same with the Thunder, Spurs, Warriors, Cavs, etc...

I'm not saying the Knicks are the Spurs culture wise, but measuring them during the stretch makes no sense

Measuring them at all makes no sense then.

People got to measure them in the beginning of November, no? Where was all of this then?

I actually would agree with you it were to go both ways.

[GONYK]

True or false? Our three best players have all missed time in the last 6 games.

All of a sudden, all players are created equal and losing KP, Kanter, and Timmy doesn't mean more than losing Baker and Noah.

And? Players miss games everyday.

That doesn’t mean we should be looking like pure garbage while giving up 38 point leads to teams. Especially if our so called culture has been changed. All year that’s what I’ve been hearing. When a culture changes it hits more than 2 or 3 players. It’s organizational.

facts
spurs rallied back from a 15 point deficit to OKC without aldridge/kawhi/gay... ain't no culture over here

Spurs also got smacked around by the Magic, the Pelicans and had a 4 game losing streak this season.

How's the culture in OKC?