What's wrong with Kristaps Porzingis right now?

Fat Kat · Post #481 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

KP is losing his legs in the 2nd half. That's his problem. He's not able to establish or hold his position late in games, and it makes it hard to feed him the ball. He probably needs a quick hook early to maintain his strength.

Post #482 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:27 pm

He's trying to do too much

I don't know if it's the coaching, the guard play, or KP, but we don't run very many plays to get him good looks, and when we do it usually results in a bucket

So he tries to create everything by himself, which might work in a few years if he keeps improving, but right now he's just not at that level yet

Having Tim back as someone who can create for himself and play in transition will be huge for KP in opening up the floor and forcing the defense to pay attention to someone else. I'd love to see us try some double screens and horns plays with Tim as the ball handler and KP/Kanter as the screeners, I feel like that should be a basic set we run which would be difficult to guard

NY 567 · Post #483 » by **NY 567** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:33 pm

It's a perfect storm of bad shot selection, bad coaching, mediocre teammates and awful PG play. I see guys like Town and Embiid get at least 2-3 easy baskets and open looks a game, KP gets absolutely nothing. He's not helping himself doubling down taking insanely awful shots when he doesn't need to.

He's also being worn down by playing the 4, asking him to guard the perimiter against athletic 6'8 guys is a lot for his 7'3 frame to handle. His future is at center.

Blockwatcher · Post #484 » by **Blockwatcher** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Read on Twitter

/video/1

That's wrong

Apples · Post #485 » by **Apples** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:45 pm

Instead of worrying about the Knicks building a winner around him, he needs to continue to work on his body and game. He's not an established star to be concerned about such a thing. He needs work. Also needs to work on his body language. I just saw video of him checking out after he didn't get the ball in the post. I don't know has that been discussed.
I still like his development thus far. My only complaint is he rebounds like a small forward.

HEZI · Post #486 » by **HEZI** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:47 pm

NY 567 wrote:It's a perfect storm of bad shot selection, bad coaching, mediocre teammates and awful PG play. I see guys like Town and Embiid get at least 2-3 easy baskets and open looks a game, KP gets absolutely nothing. He's not helping himself doubling down taking insanely awful shots when he doesn't need to.

He's also being worn down by playing the 4, asking him to guard the perimiter against athletic 6'8 guys is a lot for his 7'3 frame to handle. His future is at center.

Who's the last 6'8" guy he's had to guard? Markieff Morris? Most of his assignments lately have been bigs

Lauri is 7'0"
Dirk is 7'0"
Kelly Olynyk is 7'0"
Pau Gasol is 7'0"
Anthony Davis is 7'0"

In the last 8 game stretch he's only had to guard 1 guy who wasn't a 7 footer

Red Vines · Post #487 » by **Red Vines** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:53 pm

At this point he needs to forget about trying to be the man, trying to carry a team, he's not physically able. Scoring help is coming with Tim & Trey, so focus on rebounding, taking quality shots, making the right plays.

NY 567 · Post #488 » by **NY 567** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:55 pm

He's better than Giannis was in his third year, I wonder how many of you would have given up on him? Mark my words, getting rid of KP would be the biggest mistake the franchise has ever made, and we've done a whole lot of dumb ****.

NY 567 · Post #489 » by **NY 567** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:56 pm

HEZI wrote:
NY 567 wrote:It's a perfect storm of bad shot selection, bad coaching, mediocre teammates and awful PG play. I see guys like Town and Embiid get at least 2-3 easy baskets and open looks a game, KP gets absolutely nothing. He's not helping himself doubling down taking insanely awful shots when he doesn't need to.

He's also being worn down by playing the 4, asking him to guard the perimiter against athletic 6'8 guys is a lot for his 7'3 frame to handle. His future is at center.

Who's the last 6'8" guy he's had to guard? Markieff Morris? Most of his assignments lately have been bigs

Lauri is 7'0"
Dirk is 7'0"
Kelly Olynyk is 7'0"
Pau Gasol is 7'0"
Anthony Davis is 7'0"

In the last 8 game stretch he's only had to guard 1 guy who wasn't a 7 footer

He's been worn out since before this stretch. And guys like Davis and Lauri are always going to be a hard cover.

Boarder Patrol · Post #490 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:59 pm

This guy needs a capable point guard. He's not a Durant, LeBron, Curry "give me the ball and I'll score" type even if he might think he is. He's getting practically zero clean open looks from off-ball movement.

HEZI · Post #491 » by **HEZI** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:02 pm

NY 567 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
NY 567 wrote:It's a perfect storm of bad shot selection, bad coaching, mediocre teammates and awful PG play. I see guys like Town and Embiid get at least 2-3 easy baskets and open looks a game, KP gets absolutely nothing. He's not helping himself doubling down taking insanely awful shots when he doesn't need to.

He's also being worn down by playing the 4, asking him to guard the perimiter against athletic 6'8 guys is a lot for his 7'3 frame to handle. His future is at center.

Who's the last 6'8" guy he's had to guard? Markieff Morris? Most of his assignments lately have been bigs

Lauri is 7'0"
Dirk is 7'0"
Kelly Olynyk is 7'0"
Pau Gasol is 7'0"
Anthony Davis is 7'0"

In the last 8 game stretch he's only had to guard 1 guy who wasn't a 7 footer

He's been worn out since before this stretch. And guys like Davis and Lauri are always going to be a hard cover.

Meh, he wasn't chasing guys on the perimeter anyway. Even if he was, that doesn't wear you out nearly as quick as fighting a guy in the paint for position and wrestling down low, which is why Porzingis doesn't want to play center in the first place.

Post #492 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:04 pm

Some of these guys are running with the Lauri > KP headline

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1643150&start=140

NY 567 · Post #493 » by **NY 567** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:05 pm

HEZI wrote:
NY 567 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Who's the last 6'8" guy he's had to guard? Markieff Morris? Most of his assignments lately have been bigs

Lauri is 7'0"
Dirk is 7'0"
Kelly Olynyk is 7'0"
Pau Gasol is 7'0"
Anthony Davis is 7'0"

In the last 8 game stretch he's only had to guard 1 guy who wasn't a 7 footer

He's been worn out since before this stretch. And guys like Davis and Lauri are always going to be a hard cover.

Meh, he wasn't chasing guys on the perimeter anyway. Even if he was, that doesn't wear you out nearly as quick as fighting a guy in the paint for position and wrestling down low.

He tries to straddle defending the paint and the perimeter all game. Guys his size can't physiologically do that for long.

This isn't 1996. He doesn't need to worry about going against Shaq, Ewing, Robinson. How many bangers are really at center nowadays anyway? Howard? Embiid?

Post #494 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:14 pm

NY 567 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
NY 567 wrote: He's been worn out since before this stretch. And guys like Davis and Lauri are always going to be a hard cover.

Meh, he wasn't chasing guys on the perimeter anyway. Even if he was, that doesn't wear you out nearly as quick as fighting a guy in the paint for position and wrestling down low.

He tries to straddle defending the paint and the perimeter all game. Guys his size can't physiologically do that for long.

This isn't 1996. He doesn't need to worry about going against Shaq, Ewing, Robinson. How many bangers are really at center nowadays anyway? Howard? Embiid?

It's not about post defense and banging down low, it's about he doesn't have the core strength to hold his position and box out for rebounds, which is the main reason there's no statistical difference between playing him at the 4 and 5. His height and length make him a decent enough post defender, but it's all for nothing if he's giving up a bunch of 2nd chance points a game

The bright side is that core strength is one of the things he's working on, and it just takes time to build up. He'll be ready for full time C duties in 2 more years

HEZI · Post #495 » by **HEZI** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:19 pm

NY 567 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
NY 567 wrote: He's been worn out since before this stretch. And guys like Davis and Lauri are always going to be a hard cover.

Meh, he wasn't chasing guys on the perimeter anyway. Even if he was, that doesn't wear you out nearly as quick as fighting a guy in the paint for position and wrestling down low.

He tries to straddle defending the paint and the perimeter all game. Guys his size can't physiologically do that for long.

This isn't 1996. He doesn't need to worry about going against Shaq, Ewing, Robinson. How many bangers are really at center nowadays anyway? Howard? Embiid?

Hassan Whiteside
Jonas Valanciunas
Andre Drummond
Robin Lopez
Brook Lopez
Lamarcus Aldrige
Jusuf Nurkic
Demarcus Cousins
Marc Gasol
Karl Anthony Towns
Marcin Gortat
Steven Adams

All of those guys can overpower Porzingis on the inside and wear him out. They don't have to be Shaq or Ewing or Robinson to be able to do it. Those guys are very strong and very tough to wrestle with in the paint. Ayton is another physical specimen that's about to enter the NBA and could overpower Porzingis on the inside. Not to mention all the smaller bigs who have proven they can put a body on Porzingis, like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Al Horford, Clint Capela, I mean the list goes on and on. He wouldn't have one off night. We're not talking about just a guy who plays on the inside and can score, we're talking about fighting guys for position to keep them off the glass and that in itself is a workout and a tough task for someone like Porzingis because he gives up so much in terms of strength to all of those guys.

Phish Tank · Post #496 » by **Phish Tank** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html#shooting::none

Summary:

Taking less threes
Taking more long mid-range shots

Perhaps he should shoot more shots in the paint and close and more threes. He should also kill the long midrange shot

whocares1 · Post #497 » by **whocares1** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:30 pm

Phish Tank wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html#shooting::none

Summary:

Taking less threes
Taking more long mid-range shots

Perhaps he should shoot more shots in the paint and close and more threes. He should also kill the long midrange shot

He could be shooting less threes because he isn't making them as much, or he could be fatigued so shooting closer makes sense. His stamina is the issue. Until he ups his conditioning he will always be streaky.

nyk97 · Post #498 » by **nyk97** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:34 pm

Blockwatcher wrote:

Read on Twitter
/video/1

That's wrong

KP needs a chauncey, kidd type veteran.

Greenie · Post #499 » by **Greenie** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:44 pm

NY 567 wrote:He's better than Giannis was in his third year, I wonder how many of you would have given up on him? Mark my words, getting rid of KP would be the biggest mistake the franchise has ever made, and we've done a whole lot of dumb ****.

Too bad KP is not Giannis

Sark · Post #500 » by **Sark** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:48 pm

nyk97 wrote:
Blockwatcher wrote:

Read on Twitter
/video/1

That's wrong

KP needs a chauncey, kidd type veteran.

No that's the last thing he needs. What he does need is a young core of players to grow with. Another old vet is just another quick fix. We need KP to grow with Frank, the way Malone and Stockton grew together.

That's why the fact that we play Jack with the starters because of mesh is mind boggling. How can Frank mesh with guys like KP or Kanter when he only shares the floor with KOQ and Beasley?