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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#241 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:29 am

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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#242 » by CharlesOakley » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:31 am

I've said it all season but I would actually enjoy these losses if we were riding with the young guns. Call up Berke, play Dotson and Baker and trade Lee and O'Quinn. If you can find a taker for Lance or Kanter, you trade them too. Cut sessions, glue Jack to the bench and let's role. We end up with a high pick and a ton of player development. I would certainly find it more entertaining than the garbage we are playing now in the name of wins.
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#243 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:37 am

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Jay10 wrote:Kristaps is going to make building around him difficult if he's adamant in never moving to center.

If he moves to center, the team could then build a team of 3 point shooters, which would give him all the space he needs

or

The Knicks now have to draft a player with a style similar to Durant, who could play center and be a threat from the 3 point line.

Good luck finding that player with a style similar to Durant. :(


KP's going to be a challenge to build around no matter what. On the plus side, he brings true shot altering to PF and some of that stretch game, at the same time.

The downsides are too numerous to mention. To weak for C, doesn't rebound that well, too tall (possibly) for PF, not dominant in any facet of the game - so do you use him to stretch, to post, to drive? Who knows. Seems apparent he can't log a lot of minutes too.

Who was that guy who got hyped as a star on Minny but wound up being best used as a 3rd option?

KP starting to seem Kevin Love like in career arc. :D

Ok, that's a bit harsh. But I wonder. But as far as KP - do you go for a Milsap like PF who plays inside? Do you go for an Oakley enforcer type who rebounds a ton and can knock down jumpers so KP can play inside? Knicks need to choose correctly.

I'd say draft a 4 who is strong post player, play KP outside on offense, let KP guard the paint on defense but be able to switch with the 4 who is capable of guarding most 5's.

And get shooters. Every team needs shooters. KP can be one of them helping the post PF, and then they can all help KP when he (rarely) posts. And like was said, have him flash into places, catch and shoot.

No more dribbling KP. Stop it. You aren't good at it. It's embarrassing.


KP should be a dream to buold around. Imo he should be mostly a center no question. He defends the paint well and even defends post players well. That needs to be his position.

What we need is a versatile dirty work F enforcer next to him. A taj Gibson type. Jordan Bell would have been perfect. Someone that rebounds and defends well, can hold his own offensively and versatile enough to defend perimeter or post players. Then mix in some stretch f types...Thad Young would also be a good fit.

Ideally target #1 needs to be a dynamic pg/playmaker. We need someone that can run pick n rolls and get him easy shots. Frank still has potential to play some of that role, but we may need a sg,/sf that can assist with some of that facilitating
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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#244 » by Sark » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:40 am

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PORZINGAAAWDD wrote:Will never be a good team as long as your Franchise player is your biggest weakness



People don't want to admit it, but KP is a big part of the Knicks problems the last 2 weeks



No. The only reason the Knicks are even close to a competitive team is because of KP.

The Knick's problem is that they have too many crusty veterans, and have entrusted the season to them, contrary to their mission statement from the President of Basketball Operations before the year started.
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#245 » by taj2133 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:45 am

Frank is a big problem he not playing and kp needs to rebound basketball better it seems he get pushed around a little too much and needs to fight back. You guys wanted to play frank more but he sucked tonight and of start of 2018 he been terrible and jeff had bench him because he has flat out playing like chit. I not big trey burke fan but he could do a lot better then what frank has been doing lately and could put up same numbers as frank is right now.
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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#246 » by BenLaw » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:45 am

Sark wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
PORZINGAAAWDD wrote:Will never be a good team as long as your Franchise player is your biggest weakness



People don't want to admit it, but KP is a big part of the Knicks problems the last 2 weeks



No. The only reason the Knicks are even close to a competitive team is because of KP.

No one's buying that BS line anymore. NOT TRUE. FAKE NEWS.
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Post#247 » by Kinglee » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 am

Honestly speaking is KP suppose to be an elite stretch 4? Like where do we rank him? There's plenty of jumpshooting bigs I'd take over him. His offense is overrated as ****.
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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#248 » by Kinglee » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:48 am

BenLaw wrote:
Sark wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:

People don't want to admit it, but KP is a big part of the Knicks problems the last 2 weeks



No. The only reason the Knicks are even close to a competitive team is because of KP.

No one's buying that BS line anymore. NOT TRUE. FAKE NEWS.

Beasley is why we are competitive
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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#249 » by BenLaw » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:49 am

Kinglee wrote:
BenLaw wrote:
Sark wrote:



No. The only reason the Knicks are even close to a competitive team is because of KP.

No one's buying that BS line anymore. NOT TRUE. FAKE NEWS.

Beasley is why we are competitive


Hmmm. I think you're on to somethin'.
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#250 » by Kinglee » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:50 am

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HE'S 7'3. Whats the lowesr fg% for a guy 7+ feet that took at least 700 shots?
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Post#251 » by Dantares » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:02 am

Kp has got to show up to camp at least 247 pounds next season. If you are going to lose 7 pounds during every season then 240 pounds keeps you strong enough to post up those small ball 4's and absorb contact better on drives so you can finish through the contact. Seriously a 7'3 guy that weighs 235 pounds or less is not going to establish deep post position against anyone. I bet some posters here could easily take down kp in a wrestling match because of his lanky frame and lack of leverage.
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#252 » by Fury » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:07 am

Kinglee wrote:Honestly speaking is KP suppose to be an elite stretch 4? Like where do we rank him? There's plenty of jumpshooting bigs I'd take over him. His offense is overrated as ****.


Not sure who shows up less, KP this last month or you when he plays well
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#253 » by HEZI » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:19 am

Dantares wrote:Kp has got to show up to camp at least 247 pounds next season. If you are going to lose 7 pounds during every season then 240 pounds keeps you strong enough to post up those small ball 4's and absorb contact better on drives so you can finish through the contact. Seriously a 7'3 guy that weighs 235 pounds or less is not going to establish deep post position against anyone. I bet some posters here could easily take down kp in a wrestling match because of his lanky frame and lack of leverage.


He needs to spend the summer with Enes and follow his workout routine


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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#254 » by Mecca » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:26 am

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Kinglee wrote:Honestly speaking is KP suppose to be an elite stretch 4? Like where do we rank him? There's plenty of jumpshooting bigs I'd take over him. His offense is overrated as ****.


Not sure who shows up less, KP this last month or you when he plays well



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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#255 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:47 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:i doubt it it's true

thibs going all in to win. he doesn't have time to develop a rookie, especially one coming off a major injury. lee would actually be great for them now that I think about it. i like this idea a lot


Let’s hope it happens. It would be such a breath of fresh air from the usual approach we take.

How high are you on Patton? Who do you think is his comp?

kinda like a poor mans KAT (i suck at comparisons so bare with me lol)

i do think he can be a reaaallly good backup big though. not sure he can be a starter cause of his rebounding issues


I’ll take a poor man’s poor ma version of KAT on this roster anyday

I’d prefer a good defensive guy next to KP but I’d like to give this kid a shot if we can swipe him
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#256 » by Xinton » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:48 am

taj2133 wrote:Frank is a big problem he not playing and kp needs to rebound basketball better it seems he get pushed around a little too much and needs to fight back. You guys wanted to play frank more but he sucked tonight and of start of 2018 he been terrible and jeff had bench him because he has flat out playing like chit. I not big trey burke fan but he could do a lot better then what frank has been doing lately and could put up same numbers as frank is right now.


Agreed Frank is crap. Not a day goes by where I get frustrated of how Phil's last move dicked the Knicks over from getting Dennis Smith. Imagine how much more exciting it would be to watch the Knicks if they had gotten Dennis Smith.
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#257 » by Phish Tank » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:58 am

KP clearly dealing with anemia yet Jeff’s playing him full quarters....

Yet the beat writers probably lurk all over this forum, know all of this is an issue, yet when it comes to asking jeff questions in the postgame presser, it’s about Willy it kanter not getting minutes or having 7 players score in double figures....

The beat writers are like mister softee


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Post#258 » by ChaosHamster » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:13 am

Kinglee wrote:Honestly speaking is KP suppose to be an elite stretch 4? Like where do we rank him? There's plenty of jumpshooting bigs I'd take over him. His offense is overrated as ****.


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Re: Knicks Wolves PG- Newports Edition 

Post#259 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:33 am

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No, you're wrong. You just said 20/5/4/1.4 are 6th man numbers. Take a lap. I've had enough trying to speak sense into you.

I'll throw a little more whipped cream on my argument. You're paying 16 mil per for THJ. You can't dip back into FA and spend at SG. Secondly, you can't burn a top 10 pick on one when you have THJ.

Lastly, his numbers have proven he's a top 10-12 SG in the NBA. Maybe 8 was high, but 10? That's where he is. Why do you hate to admit that you're wrong sometimes. You get so cranky


I see this is your go to defense mechanism when you get proven wrong. Some version of “why you getting tight?”.

Eric Gordon put up big numbers last season and won 6th man of the year.

Throw out your good numbers means he has to start argument.

HOU had the best SG in the NBA and still went and spent 50 mil+ on another SG. And they went and traded for another one in Lou Will.

Throw out your can’t double dip on SGs argument.

Eric Gordon is in the top 10-12 SGs.

Throw out your “where you rank amongst SGs should dictate if you start” argument.

I’m not getting tight. I even conceded THJ could prove me wrong. I’m just systematically backing my point with facts, not just opinions.

You sound like you’re getting a little emo b/c I keep proving my point instead of blindly buying your opinion as gospel.

It’s not that serious homey



Naah, the funny thing is, that's what you really do. You get your panties in a bunch whenever someone proves you wrong, thus you land in a lot of arguments.

You asked to "systematically back up your points with facts." First off, systematically doesn't even work in that sentence so stop trying to use larger words to make your point more accurate. Newsflash, that's not how it works. Go ask any Law student or journalism professor. The first thing they'll tell you is how to say more with less.

Lastly, THJ has posted 20/5/4 and 1.4 SPG with good peripheral percentages and you keep saying those numbers are "6th man" numbers. On what team? lol JR Smith was never as consistent as THJ has been since he got the jitters out of his system.

You want a 3 and D guy next to Frank. You'd get smoked trying to compete in the "build a teams" by us if that's your idea. Frank needs an assertive 2 guard that is going to penetrate and shoot difficult shots when no one is open. You put Frank with a 3 and D guy and you're not getting any dribble penetration outside of your guards and most likely you're getting a lack of scoring.

You're wrong dakomish. I mostly avoid confrontations with you because you always think you're right. Ask the majority of this board if THJ is a 6th man or starting caliber player. I'd make a sig bet for a month with you that the majority would say he's a starting caliber player.

Lastly, EG is 6'3 and was a starter his entire career. He moved to the 6th man because Beverley was the perfect fit for Harden, they had no backup PG, and this year CP3 is a starter. Timmy is better than EG.

No, I won't throw out my argument about double dipping in FA at SG because you already allocated 16 million per of cap space to him. You wanna throw another 12 at Avery Bradley and spend 30 million on SG next year? Ok Isiah Thomas.

But yeah, 20/5/4 1.4 SPG 45% from the field 36% from 3 are 6th man numbers. :lol: :roll:

Lets make a bet that more people think THJ is a starter than a 6th man.


I’ve seen some dudes on this board who like to dig their heels in, but this is denial taken to a whole other level.

First things first. Systematically is a big word? In what profession is that considered a big word? That’s a common word in every business environment I’ve worked in.

On your THJ arguments, I countered on everyone of your claims:

Gets to the FT line a lot - not even top 50 per game
Top 8 SG - I listed 8 guys who everyone will say is better short of Tim Sr
Good numbers means THJ should start - Gordon had good numbers and didn’t start
Can’t double dip on SGs. - HOU not only double dipped when they had the BEST - not 10-12ish range - THE BEST - SG in the game. And to top it off they traded for another one. How’d that work out for them?
Where THJ ranks amongst SGs means he should start - Where would Gordon rank last year and where does he rank now.

On your incorrect observation regarding my stubborness on this board:

The funniest part about your latest post is in my first response to you I said I could be wrong.

But I thought I can’t admit if I’m wrong Mecca? What’s good? Why would I type that out if I’m so set on being right?

On the sig bet - you want to make a bet that this board filled with posters who defend all things Knicks 24/7 is going to say THJ is a starter? WTH would that prove? This is a group that W’s adrolling over the prospects of Tony Wroten. I wonder how they’ll vote about a guy who’s actually good :lol:
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Stop getting upset & resorting to personal jabs when someone doesn’t agree with you.
Make a better case. Come at me with sound, logical basketball arguments. I’m more than happy to discuss all things Knicks with anybody on this board.

I just demolished your entire stance and I didn’t have to take a personal jab at you.

What do you think a law or journalism professor would say about that?
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Re: PG: Knicks Wolves - Newports Edition 

Post#260 » by Juris » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:34 am

OMG... hysteria is on

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