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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#161 » by Billy Goat » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:07 am

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So you compare a pro league and a university league, okay... So Parker Batum Diaw Gobert all came from this obscur league.


Parker and Diaw have been in the league forever. Just comparing the overall talent coming out of the ACC vs the French league, yeah it's not the same.

You know Nothing Billy Goat :P
In NCAA the best talents go to NBA, the Young french players of french league too... So now you compare USA with France ( 300 vs 65 millions of people, and basket is not the popular sport like lots of euros country (soccer)), so for sure they are more talents in USA but you don't prove anything except that you don't know anything about the French league... Maybe if like lots of guys here you watched the french PO to scout Frank last June, your speech would be different. :noway:
Euro games are differents (more Fundamentals) , and a NCAA system not exist in Europe. It's High school -> Pros teams. So it 's very rare to see a teenager like frank (or doncic a true star) starter and to have 30 min in europe at 19.


NBA rosters are predominantly players who played Division 1 basketball.
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#162 » by 2010 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:03 am

More proof Jeff, Scott, and Steve hate Frank...

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Ntilikina’s new injury — tendinitis in his right quadriceps — is further evidence, Hornacek said, the rookie isn’t ready for expanded minutes anytime soon.

The Knicks coach said beyond Ntilikina’s latest ailment, the organization’s philosophy is not to just to play young guys at the expense of losing games. Hornacek said he’s not sure if that is going to change even if the Knicks drop out of the playoff race in March.

“He’s had a lot of dings and bumps and now with a sore [quad] — we jumped him up to 25 minutes — how long is he going to last without having those same type issues,’’ Hornacek said.
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#163 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 7, 2018 6:06 am

2010 wrote:More proof Jeff, Scott, and Steve hate Frank...

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...and you will like it!


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Ntilikina’s new injury — tendinitis in his right quadriceps — is further evidence, Hornacek said, the rookie isn’t ready for expanded minutes anytime soon.

The Knicks coach said beyond Ntilikina’s latest ailment, the organization’s philosophy is not to just to play young guys at the expense of losing games. Hornacek said he’s not sure if that is going to change even if the Knicks drop out of the playoff race in March.

“He’s had a lot of dings and bumps and now with a sore [quad] — we jumped him up to 25 minutes — how long is he going to last without having those same type issues,’’ Hornacek said.

your hate for frank makes me laugh so much :lol:
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#164 » by eagle54 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 12:16 pm

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NBA rosters are predominantly players who played Division 1 basketball.

Once again you prove nothing and it's not an argument... Try again. :roll:
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Post#165 » by Red Vines » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:30 pm

Nobody thinks he's ready, his believers want him to start so he can turn into something like this is some summer training academy like that's ever how the NBA worked or player development works. He's gotten steady playing time throughout the year and he's put up the worst highlights I've ever seen from a supposed lead guard. It's Shaqtin a fool material nobody talks about.
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Post#166 » by FKF » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:40 pm

Tony Parker wasn’t ready when he started for the Spurs.
Rajon Rondo wasn’t ready when he started for the Celtics.
Hell KP wasn’t ready when Phil and Fisher started him. Yet they gave him the job and came to see what they had for their pick, and they grew him as a ROY candidate.
Ntilikina is a lotto pick, who’s been selected in the rising stars game and drew praises from the very best of the league. He’s the best defending guard among rookies.
The way they are treating him is a joke.
This franchise is again becoming the worst joke of NBA managements. It is becoming harder and harder to root for them. They deserve the losses.
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#167 » by FKF » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:54 pm

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blueNorange wrote:sure if every player drafted comes from another country and english isn't your first language.


So why didn’t they do it for KP? Has them not doing it for KP hurt his progression?

KP is an all-world talent. Nkilitina was drafted to play in the triangle. Get the ball to the wing and run to the corner. Defend. He cannot do what is asked of him consistently, yet. He needs summer league. He needs practice time and then he earns game minutes. This is the NBA. I do not want to watch projects. I want to see players who are able to compete compete.


BS. Porzingis was a “long term project” for everyone when he was picked, fans, media, management, everyone. Ntilikina was a lottery pick whether the Knicks picked him or not. The Mavs and other teams had him high too.
Phil didn’t bench KP because he couldn’t rebound or defend. He managed him, and Fisher coached him through his mistakes, and the guy being an all star is a result of the development our previous regime has been doing. We had Melo play the same position and pushing for short term results, and we started KP no matter what. We didn’t start f’ing Lance Thomas or Kyle O’Quinn back then to get better rebounding and defense, and didn’t have “KP earn his minutes”. We started him from day one and played him the most minutes in Cleveland, even though we got blown out.
Frank was hurt early but earned clutch minutes in wins in november, yet he couldn’t get the starting job over Jarrett Jack ? That’s BS.
They just can’t live through his mistakes and show the patience that is required to grow a 19 yr old. Parker wondered whether the Knicks would have the patience to grow Frank. We are seeing he was right to worry.
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#168 » by dakomish23 » Wed Feb 7, 2018 2:29 pm

Red Vines wrote:Nobody thinks he's ready, his believers want him to start so he can turn into something like this is some summer training academy like that's ever how the NBA worked or player development works. He's gotten steady playing time throughout the year and he's put up the worst highlights I've ever seen from a supposed lead guard. It's Shaqtin a fool material nobody talks about.


So player development does not include actually playing the guy and letting them work through their mistakes?

The head of coaches association disagrees.
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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#169 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:40 pm

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So why didn’t they do it for KP? Has them not doing it for KP hurt his progression?

KP is an all-world talent. Nkilitina was drafted to play in the triangle. Get the ball to the wing and run to the corner. Defend. He cannot do what is asked of him consistently, yet. He needs summer league. He needs practice time and then he earns game minutes. This is the NBA. I do not want to watch projects. I want to see players who are able to compete compete.


BS. Porzingis was a “long term project” for everyone when he was picked, fans, media, management, everyone. Ntilikina was a lottery pick whether the Knicks picked him or not. The Mavs and other teams had him high too.
Phil didn’t bench KP because he couldn’t rebound or defend. He managed him, and Fisher coached him through his mistakes, and the guy being an all star is a result of the development our previous regime has been doing. We had Melo play the same position and pushing for short term results, and we started KP no matter what. We didn’t start f’ing Lance Thomas or Kyle O’Quinn back then to get better rebounding and defense, and didn’t have “KP earn his minutes”. We started him from day one and played him the most minutes in Cleveland, even though we got blown out.
Frank was hurt early but earned clutch minutes in wins in november, yet he couldn’t get the starting job over Jarrett Jack ? That’s BS.
They just can’t live through his mistakes and show the patience that is required to grow a 19 yr old. Parker wondered whether the Knicks would have the patience to grow Frank. We are seeing he was right to worry.


Porzingis could play. He wasn't soft. He had a few NBA ready skills and he was 7'3. Frank is soft, young, playing the most difficult position in the game, has one NBA level skill currently (on ball defence) and was oft injured from the outset with workload injuries not contact injuries.

Have you given consideration to the fact that Nkilitina simply cannot beat out Jack? And that's scary.
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Post#170 » by FKF » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:48 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
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prophet_of_rage wrote:KP is an all-world talent. Nkilitina was drafted to play in the triangle. Get the ball to the wing and run to the corner. Defend. He cannot do what is asked of him consistently, yet. He needs summer league. He needs practice time and then he earns game minutes. This is the NBA. I do not want to watch projects. I want to see players who are able to compete compete.


BS. Porzingis was a “long term project” for everyone when he was picked, fans, media, management, everyone. Ntilikina was a lottery pick whether the Knicks picked him or not. The Mavs and other teams had him high too.
Phil didn’t bench KP because he couldn’t rebound or defend. He managed him, and Fisher coached him through his mistakes, and the guy being an all star is a result of the development our previous regime has been doing. We had Melo play the same position and pushing for short term results, and we started KP no matter what. We didn’t start f’ing Lance Thomas or Kyle O’Quinn back then to get better rebounding and defense, and didn’t have “KP earn his minutes”. We started him from day one and played him the most minutes in Cleveland, even though we got blown out.
Frank was hurt early but earned clutch minutes in wins in november, yet he couldn’t get the starting job over Jarrett Jack ? That’s BS.
They just can’t live through his mistakes and show the patience that is required to grow a 19 yr old. Parker wondered whether the Knicks would have the patience to grow Frank. We are seeing he was right to worry.


Porzingis could play. He wasn't soft. He had a few NBA ready skills and he was 7'3. Frank is soft, young, playing the most difficult position in the game, has one NBA level skill currently (on ball defence) and was oft injured from the outset with workload injuries not contact injuries.

Have you given consideration to the fact that Nkilitina simply cannot beat out Jack? And that's scary.


He did beat out Jack. Many times. Since live practice at msg.
This staff doesn’t have a clue. Isola reports they didn’t like KP and Willy speaking Spanish. This is about to get ugly.
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