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Re: There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter 

Post#61 » by Phish Tank » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:23 pm

kane2021 wrote:The development is going on outside of the games. People throw the word development around but in actuality they really mean entertainment.

They just want to see him play. So they can over analyze every step he takes. They’ll stop watching the team and only watch the player. Come up with off the wall comparisons and fantasize about him becoming that player. All to have something to stand for on a forum. Like it’s politics.

Then in two years, they’ll get bored of that. They’ll lose faith because he doesn’t fulfill their over hyped fantasies. They’ll turn on him. And seek the next unknown to do it again. Likely some 2nd round pick. Or undrafted d leaguer.

That’s really what it’s all about. So why not just be real about it? That’s why you want the coach fired.

The proof is right here. Jeff is garbage for playing vets over young players. Right? Your not getting enough frank.

Same with Willy.

Yet. The most seasoned and accomplished vet on the team had to be sent away because he’s upset about not playing. A much younger player gets the nod.

You’d think that maybe,... that alone would kill that line of thinking.

The funny thing is, most people that frequent this forum, for once, were mostly in agreement. Noah is done and should not play. And that’s what happens. He bucks. And you want heads to roll? It was your idea!

Y’all don’t give a **** about frank. The kid isn’t comfortable. His legs have hurt off and on since he was drafted. You don’t care about his long term development. You just want to use him as a pawn in your agenda games.

And just like with the Noah situation. If frank goes out there, plays more and gets hurt. Or regresses. You’ll be calling for heads to roll. When it was your idea.


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Post#62 » by whocares1 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:33 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Frank needs minutes, and he really needs minutes with KP/Timmy if that’s our core. They have actually looked decent on the floor together and can fit. I hate the approach of having Frank on a tight leash. Let him make mistakes and learn from them. Encourage them. He needs to be playing more freely.

Smith 5-17 9 turnovers. I wonder if they would bench him? The Knicks franchise is a joke period.


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Shout out the real individuals and not using the vague "franchise" to shield Perry and Mills. There's also different methods to learning, there's never one way to learn something. Frank could've earned the starting spot from Jack, it's not like Jack isn't a 35 year old walk on. Jeff is old school and thinks the rookie should earn it and Frank hasn't and Mills and Perry agree.
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Post#63 » by dakomish23 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:34 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Frank needs minutes, and he really needs minutes with KP/Timmy if that’s our core. They have actually looked decent on the floor together and can fit. I hate the approach of having Frank on a tight leash. Let him make mistakes and learn from them. Encourage them. He needs to be playing more freely.


Thank you. Play through the mistakes and come out the other side stronger.

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Post#64 » by Sark » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:34 pm

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K P 6 wrote:Smith 5-17 9 turnovers. I wonder if they would bench him? The Knicks franchise is a joke period.


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much easier doing that when you're the worst team in the West


It's also easy to do when the coach is invested in the kid's future. Carlisle will be there with Smith for the long term. Hornacek doesn't know if he will be here even next year to coach Frank again. He's more interested in winning games to save his job, and doesn't have time to see Frank have games like that, which is why he plays his vets.

Rinse repeat the above with regards to WHG too.
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Post#65 » by F N 11 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:37 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Frank needs minutes, and he really needs minutes with KP/Timmy if that’s our core. They have actually looked decent on the floor together and can fit. I hate the approach of having Frank on a tight leash. Let him make mistakes and learn from them. Encourage them. He needs to be playing more freely.

Smith 5-17 9 turnovers. I wonder if they would bench him? The Knicks franchise is a joke period.


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Post#66 » by Billy Goat » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:39 pm

This is the risk you take drafting Euro's from obscure leagues. There's no way to benchmark these guys against actual talent like you can with NCAA D1 players. Frank is a project and a ways a way. I thought there were too many guys available there to reach on a Euro, but hopefully he works out. He's only 19.
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Post#67 » by E-Balla » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:43 pm

Only rotation player with a lower PER in the league is trash ass Dragan Bender and trash ass JR Smith is 3rd lowest. I'm just saying if everyone around him statistically is trash...
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Post#68 » by eagle54 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:47 pm

Billy Goat wrote:This is the risk you take drafting Euro's from obscure leagues.


really ? You know most of the french players came from this league ? Parsons or Jaymychal Green (and even bruce bowen) played in french league too. It's not obscure league... It's not the NBa but it's not the China championship too...
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Post#69 » by Phish Tank » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:48 pm

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key line...this is how young players learn....well not according to our dumb franchise...


much easier doing that when you're the worst team in the West


It's also easy to do when the coach is invested in the kid's future. Carlisle will be there with Smith for the long term. Hornacek doesn't know if he will be here even next year to coach Frank again. He's more interested in winning games to save his job, and doesn't have time to see Frank have games like that, which is why he plays his vets.

Rinse repeat the above with regards to WHG too.


flip our record and Dallas' record and you'd see Carlisle play vets more
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Post#70 » by Billy Goat » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:49 pm

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Billy Goat wrote:This is the risk you take drafting Euro's from obscure leagues.


really ? You know most of the french players came from this league ? Parsons or Jaymychal Green (and even bruce bowen) played in french league too. It's not obscure league... It's not the NBa but it's not the China championship too...


It's a clear step down from NCAA Division 1. Frank barely played too. It was a pure guess on potential alone. Luckily for the Knicks most of the guards besides Mitchell have stunk it up so far.
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Post#71 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:50 pm

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much easier doing that when you're the worst team in the West


It's also easy to do when the coach is invested in the kid's future. Carlisle will be there with Smith for the long term. Hornacek doesn't know if he will be here even next year to coach Frank again. He's more interested in winning games to save his job, and doesn't have time to see Frank have games like that, which is why he plays his vets.

Rinse repeat the above with regards to WHG too.


flip our record and Dallas' record and you'd see Carlisle play vets more

DSJ will still be starting and getting starter minutes. He has started every game, since the first game of the preseason
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Post#72 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:59 pm

It's easy to blame Hornacek but he's a coach trying to win and keep his paycheck. A coach will always sacrifice development for wins unless they have been given some kind of guarantee. I really blame Mills/Perry for this but who knows perhaps they ain't feeling Frank like that. :dontknow:
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Post#73 » by F N 11 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 3:59 pm

Rick was going to give whoever the mavs drafted at point guard the keys from day 1. He’s no fool to think JJ Barea or Yogi is the future. There’s a difference. One coaches for his job the other coaches for development.
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Post#74 » by Sark » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:03 pm

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much easier doing that when you're the worst team in the West


It's also easy to do when the coach is invested in the kid's future. Carlisle will be there with Smith for the long term. Hornacek doesn't know if he will be here even next year to coach Frank again. He's more interested in winning games to save his job, and doesn't have time to see Frank have games like that, which is why he plays his vets.

Rinse repeat the above with regards to WHG too.


flip our record and Dallas' record and you'd see Carlisle play vets more



Doubt it because he played Dennis Smith from day 1 of the season, and continued to play him despite starting the season 0-4.
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Post#75 » by F N 11 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:03 pm

The East will No longer be ran by Lebron in the years to come. Now is the time to start to build something but no. We are the New York Knicks.
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Post#76 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:03 pm

K P 6 wrote:Rick was going to give whoever the mags drafted at point guard the keys from day 1. He’s no fool to think JJ Barea or Yogi is the future. There’s a difference. One coaches for his job the other coaches for development.


Rick is an established coach and management is absolutely on board with him. It's not really comparable to Knicks situation.
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Post#77 » by dakomish23 » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:05 pm

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It's also easy to do when the coach is invested in the kid's future. Carlisle will be there with Smith for the long term. Hornacek doesn't know if he will be here even next year to coach Frank again. He's more interested in winning games to save his job, and doesn't have time to see Frank have games like that, which is why he plays his vets.

Rinse repeat the above with regards to WHG too.


flip our record and Dallas' record and you'd see Carlisle play vets more

DSJ will still be starting and getting starter minutes. He has started every game, since the first game of the preseason


Yep. When everyone had the same record, they chose to invest in their future while we worried about the low hanging fruit in the present.

DSJ may never live up to the hype. He may turn into a stud. Either way, they’re all in.

They’re 15th in the West with 6 wins less than the Knicks who are 11th in the East. Both teams have drafted PGs in the lottery. Both teams own their own pick in the 2018 draft.

Doubt they would want to switch places with us by not trying to maximize the development of their rookie.
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Post#78 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:07 pm

K P 6 wrote:Rick was going to give whoever the mags drafted at point guard the keys from day 1. He’s no fool to think JJ Barea or Yogi is the future. There’s a difference. One coaches for his job the other coaches for development.

yep
he said that DSJ was going to be the starter, literally right after they drafted him. development is priority for them
"I would project him as a starter,'' Rick said. "He's 'OKG' - 'Our Kind of Guy.''

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what's even more funny is that barea has been better than Jack this season. and at times better than DSJ. but that doesn't stop carislie from doing the right thing.
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Post#79 » by shtolky » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:08 pm

Dennis Smith also played 35 minutes per game for his entire freshman season in college. Frank played 18 minutes per game. Also, Frank can be developing as a player even if he's only getting 20 minutes per game. All of this is going to be moot because he's clearly the PG of the future. He's 19 and yet the impatience is getting out of hand.
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Post#80 » by Billy Goat » Tue Feb 6, 2018 4:10 pm

shtolky wrote:Dennis Smith also played 35 minutes per game for his entire freshman season in college. Frank played 18 minutes per game. Also, Frank can be developing as a player even if he's only getting 20 minutes per game. All of this is going to be moot because he's clearly the PG of the future. He's 19 and yet the impatience is getting out of hand.


Pretty much. You're comparing a player who's a year older with a full year of ACC basketball to a guy playing sparingly in the French league. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

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