Hornacek gets "vote of confidence" from management?

Post #21 » by **Manhattan Project** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:22 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Exactly. How often is Dolan going to keep paying ex-head coaches? The rules of probability support the proposition that Hornacek will be the one to stop the madness.

Your first mistake was trying to bring logic into this, there is no logic with this team.

Adelheid · Post #22 » by **Adelheid** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:22 am

Y'all may just be right. I was expecting Jefe to get axed after the rs but if the Dolan refused because of all the backlogs of fired executives and coaches still being paid, he still might be the coach up to the end of his contract. Prepare for another lottery pick next next offseason b1tches!

Rooster8 · Post #23 » by **Rooster8** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:26 am

BadNewsBarnes wrote:
Red Vines wrote:I like Hornacek, I'd give him one more year with some better guards and a team that can run.

I'd show him the door. Predicable offensive schemes....predictable swiss cheese d. You don't have to be the Amazing Kreskin to see what happens next...

We actually rank in the top half of the league in opponents ppg. We're 20th in ppg as a team but when you consider the players we have...that's not that bad. Could be worse.

Post #24 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:27 am

this team has overachieved

vallen · Post #25 » by **vallen** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:33 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
AllanHoustonFan wrote:So will Jeff now play the youngins now that his job is "secure"

I think that's the best way to read this. Makes sense.

its always typical after the all-star break. lets not pretend this is a jeff or F.O thing or anything that needs reading into or made sense of. Its just par for the course. as it has been all season.

nykballa2k4 · Post #26 » by **nykballa2k4** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:41 am

Red Vines wrote:I like Hornacek, I'd give him one more year with some better guards and a team that can run.

IMO Jeff is a bit like D'Antoni though less of an arrogant prick. His coaching preferences and his personnel just don't match up. If we had made a move for Bledsoe, had we acquired Kemba etc we would be a nice treadmill team. Our personnel is half-court and he is up-tempo. It's not a good match. Though I like the idea of Blatt, I honestly am scared of how bad he is at basic things like talking to humans and remembering the rules of the game.

JohnWillow · Post #27 » by **JohnWillow** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:51 am

KnicksGod wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Stfu Jeff

I keep picturing that dumb smile on his dumb face.

nykballa2k4 · Post #28 » by **nykballa2k4** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:07 am

Adelheid wrote:Y'all may just be right. I was expecting Jefe to get axed after the rs but if the Dolan refused because of all the backlogs of fired executives and coaches still being paid, he still might be the coach up to the end of his contract. Prepare for another lottery pick next next offseason b1tches!

We should fire him and let Rambis take it over. Nobody leads a tank like Kurt. Nobody.

god shammgod · Post #29 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:08 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:this team has overachieved

i kinda agree. which does make it hard to justify firing jeff. and yet i'm absolutely sure he's horrible. it's a conundrum.

nykballa2k4 · Post #30 » by **nykballa2k4** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:11 am

god shammgod wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this team has overachieved

i kinda agree. which does make it hard to justify firing jeff. and yet i'm absolutely sure he's horrible. it's a conundrum.

He isn't horrible enough. We need Herb-level.

Post #31 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:13 am

god shammgod wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this team has overachieved

i kinda agree. which does make it hard to justify firing jeff. and yet i'm absolutely sure he's horrible. it's a conundrum.

MaseInYourFace · Post #32 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:14 am

This definitely seems like management told him to focus more on wins. Perhaps that was to appease KP and Timmy or perhaps I'm reading too much into it...

MaseInYourFace · Post #33 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:17 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:this team has overachieved

In totality, yes. As of late? No. Knicks definitely overachieved earlier in the season considering how poor the backcourt is.

god shammgod · Post #34 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:20 am

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:this team has overachieved

i kinda agree. which does make it hard to justify firing jeff. and yet i'm absolutely sure he's horrible. it's a conundrum.

the team did overachieve. for a couple of months for sure. at one point they were winning at a pretty remarkable clip for the talent level they have. it's easy to say it was kp playing like an mvp. but for the first couple of weeks he was doing that and we were still losing every game. so do i give jeff the credit, no. he's awful. and yet they overachieved. like i said, a conundrum.

MaseInYourFace · Post #35 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:25 am

Ehh he's bad. He's not quite as bad as many say though. Coaching doesn't even make my top ten issues with this franchise.

Da_Mane_Man · Post #36 » by **Da_Mane_Man** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:28 am

Can we add a poll here?

Do you support jeff? Yes or no

I'm still supporting him btw. There are some potential red flags (like the Willy and Noah stuff), but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I can only go from what I see during interviews and Jeff seems like he has a handle on the mental as well as the tactical aspect of the game. Basically, he sounds like he's got his head screwed on straight. I'm not trying to have a coaching carousel around here. That sh*t never works. I'm giving him until the end of this year and very likely next year as well.

bkzfinest11 · Post #37 » by **bkzfinest11** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:33 am

KnicksGod wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Stfu Jeff

I keep picturing that dumb smile on his dumb face.

while he explains how Jack playing 35+ mins is good for young frank. haha

Post #38 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:36 am

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
i kinda agree. which does make it hard to justify firing jeff. and yet i'm absolutely sure he's horrible. it's a conundrum.

the team did overachieve. for a couple of months for sure. at one point they were winning at a pretty remarkable clip for the talent level they have. it's easy to say it was kp playing like an mvp. but for the first couple of weeks he was doing that and we were still losing every game. so do i give jeff the credit, no. he's awful. and yet they overachieved. like i said, a conundrum.

that wasn't due to our ridiculously easy schedule to start the year??

Marty McFly · Post #39 » by **Marty McFly** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:39 am

hornacek is bad for us, but so was d'antoni. at some point, they need to stop trying to hire coaches and hiring better front office execs. might just be a better investment. crazy, right?

Red Vines · Post #40 » by **Red Vines** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:42 am

Da_Mane_Man wrote:Can we add a poll here?

Do you support jeff? Yes or no

I'm still supporting him btw. There are some potential red flags (like the Willy and Noah stuff), but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I can only go from what I see during interviews and Jeff seems like he has a handle on the mental as well as the tactical aspect of the game. Basically, he sounds like he's got his head screwed on straight. I'm not trying to have a coaching carousel around here. That sh*t never works. I'm giving him until the end of this year and very likely next year as well.

Yeah he's steady, knows the game (obviously impressed Phil Jackson), supportive of the players, flexible with the system & management (maybe too deferential actually), and he's in it for right reasons. I also think coaches can develop and improve over time.