2017/18 College & Draft Thread - Trini Birthday Edition! (Pt 4)

[Mecca]

Black Panther coming out this week. I’m pumped. I’d say Justice League too, but you (and Remi) know how I feel about it given how much I tweet about it. Release the Snyder cut.


Also, NFL combine soon!

Haha, excited for BP. That'll contain my restlessness for a few hours. And yeah you don't gotta even tell me based on your tweets.

Can't wait for combine and March Madness fam. It's better than Christmas. I'm praying you guys take Josh Allen so we won't haha

Yo I want in on all this sports/media talk. What are your twitter handles?

I’ll PM you. I’ll warn you I speak mostly hip hop w sports mixed in haha

[whocares1]

Easily Bags KP. Jackson shouldn't be mentioned with the other three either, IMO. In order of fit / pairing, I'd say Bags is first then Bamba then Ayton.

You're probably right but that frontcourt defense will be bad.

What? KP/Bags or KP/Bamba would be fantastic defensively.

KP + Bamba yes. Bags + KP probably not.

[NBA Fan 1234]

You're probably right but that frontcourt defense will be bad.

What? KP/Bags or KP/Bamba would be fantastic defensively.

KP + Bamba yes. Bags + KP probably not.

That’s just wrong, but ok.

[whocares1]

What? KP/Bags or KP/Bamba would be fantastic defensively.

KP + Bamba yes. Bags + KP probably not.

That’s just wrong, but ok.

I don't see high defensive potential in Bagley from what I've seen. He looks like a 4.5 and not either a 4 or 5, but haven't seen enough basketball yet.

Who's your favorite wing prospect?

Bridges?
Bridges?
Knox?

[NBA Fan 1234]

KP + Bamba yes. Bags + KP probably not.

That’s just wrong, but ok.

I don't see high defensive potential in Bagley from what I've seen. He looks like a 4.5 and not either a 4 or 5, but haven't seen enough basketball yet.

Who's your favorite wing prospect?

Bridges?
Bridges?
Knox?

Really? The motor, quick feet and active hands, ability to get out and cover perimeter players or hedge and recover, great rebounding?

Mikal, Miles just below, then knox for me. Knox is well below the other two, though.

[whocares1]

That’s just wrong, but ok.

I don't see high defensive potential in Bagley from what I've seen. He looks like a 4.5 and not either a 4 or 5, but haven't seen enough basketball yet.

Who's your favorite wing prospect?

Bridges?
Bridges?
Knox?

Really? The motor, quick feet and active hands, ability to get out and cover perimeter players or hedge and recover, great rebounding?

Mikal, Miles just below, then knox for me. Knox is well below the other two, though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

[HEZI]

& Lonnie is only 19 yall talking like he cant improve 6'4, 6'5 whatever 6'10 wingspan yall slept on my guy mitchell too and what happened. I dont think anyone is calling him a top pick not even top 10 but in the late lottery or mid teens he'd be a solid pick up in this draft.

Cmon bro, Mitchell was a different type of talent. His athleticism was NBA elite level, his ability to change gears and change direction was NBA elite level, his ability to create space with the dribble was NBA elite level, his jumper was money. I see the jumper in Lonnie, ok that's cool but none of his other abilities are NBA elite level abilities.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I don't see high defensive potential in Bagley from what I've seen. He looks like a 4.5 and not either a 4 or 5, but haven't seen enough basketball yet.

Who's your favorite wing prospect?

Bridges?
Bridges?
Knox?

Really? The motor, quick feet and active hands, ability to get out and cover perimeter players or hedge and recover, great rebounding?

Mikal, Miles just below, then knox for me. Knox is well below the other two, though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

[El Poochio]

I don't see high defensive potential in Bagley from what I've seen. He looks like a 4.5 and not either a 4 or 5, but haven't seen enough basketball yet.

Who's your favorite wing prospect?

Bridges?
Bridges?
Knox?

Really? The motor, quick feet and active hands, ability to get out and cover perimeter players or hedge and recover, great rebounding?

Mikal, Miles just below, then knox for me. Knox is well below the other two, though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

Omg I wanted MBIII for my sister team Memphis too so so perfect, one more season as the Hobo Spurs with Conley - MBIII - Gasol before Conley Gasol pass the torch fully to him

[Da_Mane_Man]

Really? The motor, quick feet and active hands, ability to get out and cover perimeter players or hedge and recover, great rebounding?

Mikal, Miles just below, then knox for me. Knox is well below the other two, though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

[DOT]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

Luckily, we have a big that can defend the rim and shoot 3s.

Bagley is a much better perimiter defender than KP (especially after his ACL tear), and you can play KP as the outside big on offense. Plus, it's not completely out of the possibility for Bagley to become a better shooter, buncha bigs that ain't shoot before are now good at it

[NBA Fan 1234]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/12/18/16790032/marvin-bagley-2018-nba-draft-position

Just found this article. Kind of agree from what I've seen.

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

Well it’s not when you watch the games. He’s not asked to take threes, similar to how Kat/AD weren’t with KY - and it’s something he can easily improve. He’s also guarding the perimeter more than the paint because of his versatility and teams going small, which explains partially the low block #s. I’m not worried at all. I know what I see.

[Da_Mane_Man]

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

Well it’s not when you watch the games. He’s not asked to take threes, similar to how Kat/AD weren’t with KY - and it’s something he can easily improve. He’s also guarding the perimeter more than the paint because of his versatility and teams going small, which explains partially the low block #s. I’m not worried at all. I know what I see.

The article addresses that and basically says that it's unknown if he can easily improve those things ... which is a big risk to take inside the top 3.

[Fat]

& Lonnie is only 19 yall talking like he cant improve 6'4, 6'5 whatever 6'10 wingspan yall slept on my guy mitchell too and what happened. I dont think anyone is calling him a top pick not even top 10 but in the late lottery or mid teens he'd be a solid pick up in this draft.

Cmon bro, Mitchell was a different type of talent. His athleticism was NBA elite level, his ability to change gears and change direction was NBA elite level, his ability to create space with the dribble was NBA elite level, his jumper was money. I see the jumper in Lonnie, ok that's cool but none of his other abilities are NBA elite level abilities.

All this is true minus the jumper was money. Mitchell was never money in college and still isnt money in the NBA he can catch fire he never had a pure jumper.

Im not saying lonnie will be donovan mitchell he wont be, Mitch is clearly on a different athleticism level. im saying think he's a little underrated and could be a steal. Having elite attributes is what takes them down the path to all-star level but it wont hinder you from being a solid NBA player. what is Bambas elite attribute besides defense? he doesnt have any but he has potential on his side and is young.

Lonnies strongest assets right now is his shooting ability and Defense. That doesnt mean thats all he will be he's shown more than just being a 3D player thats been thrown around. When bruce brown went down with his injury Lonnie took his game to the next level and has steadily gotten better and better.

He has the ability to be an explosive leaper / Quick first steap
Body control as a slasher can finish with either hand and make mid air adjustments
Flashes pick and roll IQ
elite speed and range closing out on shooters
Not an Advanced dribbler but at least has a basic handle and crossover for now

3D is a worst case scenario he has more upside than that as a prospect and he's rising into the late lottery zone in draft boards which i think is a fair range for him.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

Well it’s not when you watch the games. He’s not asked to take threes, similar to how Kat/AD weren’t with KY - and it’s something he can easily improve. He’s also guarding the perimeter more than the paint because of his versatility and teams going small, which explains partially the low block #s. I’m not worried at all. I know what I see.

The article addresses that and basically says that it's unknown if he can easily improve those things ... which is a big risk to take inside the top 3.

I disagree saying it’s an unknown. 100% disagree.

[NoLayupRule]

Unicorn big men who can shoot 3s and block shots are becoming more common, and Bagley could thrive next to someone like Kristaps Porzingis. However, so could a 6-foot-8 point forward like Luka Doncic, a 6-foot-10 wing like Michael Porter Jr., or a dominant shot-blocker like Bamba. Most of the other options at the top of this year’s draft offer more lineup versatility than Bagley. The choice depends on the type of team you want to build.

if were lucky enough to have a chance at him we should take him

I see the value of Doncic over him but I think he pairs nicely with KP in the way that Kanter has

[thebuzzardman]

He doesn’t need a position though. He’s a big. Him being stuck between the 4 and 5 isn’t an issue for someone with his skill set and mobility.

Well it is when you read the article. He's a big that can't defend the rim (which is what a 6 in today's NBA should do). And he's also a big that can't hit 3's (which is what a 4 in today's NBA should do).

Well it’s not when you watch the games. He’s not asked to take threes, similar to how Kat/AD weren’t with KY - and it’s something he can easily improve. He’s also guarding the perimeter more than the paint because of his versatility and teams going small, which explains partially the low block #s. I’m not worried at all. I know what I see.

Bagley is like some kind of "Honey I Shrunk Embiid" kind of player. He just looks fluid and comfortable from all over, just at a smaller, more "4ish" size.

[thebuzzardman]

Unicorn big men who can shoot 3s and block shots are becoming more common, and Bagley could thrive next to someone like Kristaps Porzingis. However, so could a 6-foot-8 point forward like Luka Doncic, a 6-foot-10 wing like Michael Porter Jr., or a dominant shot-blocker like Bamba. Most of the other options at the top of this year’s draft offer more lineup versatility than Bagley. The choice depends on the type of team you want to build.

if were lucky enough to have a chance at him we should take him

I see the value of Doncic over him but I think he pairs nicely with KP in the way that Kanter has

For all the heat KP takes on here, the fact that he can play both the 4 and the 5 and is pretty good shooter for either position enables extra flexibility in any draft - at least in terms of drafting a 4 or a 5. Obviously some guys are better fits than others next to him, but point remains. It's why point forwards are always coveted. It's having a player that solves 2, and possibly 3 positions - 1,3 and skills of a 2 depending on how the guy plays. So then it makes it easier to find players to plug in at 1,2 or 3.

Why I always think the "triangle PG" narrative is dumb. It was always more that if you have Pippen/MJ or Kobe/Odom, then a traditional PG is lower on the list of players to get. I'm sure if a star PG presented itself to any of those teams, they'd plug him in, but with 2 guys already capable of passing and breaking down the D, it becomes a lower priority and you plug in a shooter and address it later, or never.

[HEZI]

& Lonnie is only 19 yall talking like he cant improve 6'4, 6'5 whatever 6'10 wingspan yall slept on my guy mitchell too and what happened. I dont think anyone is calling him a top pick not even top 10 but in the late lottery or mid teens he'd be a solid pick up in this draft.

Cmon bro, Mitchell was a different type of talent. His athleticism was NBA elite level, his ability to change gears and change direction was NBA elite level, his ability to create space with the dribble was NBA elite level, his jumper was money. I see the jumper in Lonnie, ok that's cool but none of his other abilities are NBA elite level abilities.

All this is true minus the jumper was money. Mitchell was never money in college and still isnt money in the NBA he can catch fire he never had a pure jumper.

Im not saying lonnie will be donovan mitchell he wont be, Mitch is clearly on a different athleticism level. im saying think he's a little underrated and could be a steal. Having elite attributes is what takes them down the path to all-star level but it wont hinder you from being a solid NBA player. what is Bambas elite attribute besides defense? he doesnt have any but he has potential on his side and is young.

Lonnies strongest assets right now is his shooting ability and Defense. That doesnt mean thats all he will be he's shown more than just being a 3D player thats been thrown around. When bruce brown went down with his injury Lonnie took his game to the next level and has steadily gotten better and better.

He has the ability to be an explosive leaper / Quick first steap
Body control as a slasher can finish with either hand and make mid air adjustments
Flashes pick and roll IQ
elite speed and range closing out on shooters
Not an Advanced dribbler but at least has a basic handle and crossover for now

3D is a worst case scenario he has more upside than that as a prospect and he's rising into the late lottery zone in draft boards which i think is a fair range for him.

Mitchell's jumper always reminded me of Dame Lillard and he's pretty damn close to it right now in terms of accuracy.

I hear what you're saying about Lonnie though, I'm gonna try to pay a little more attention to him over the next few weeks. Maybe I'm just missing out on some of the things he brings to the table. I know they got a game tonight so I'll try to catch some of it but I really wanna watch that Cavs OKC game too so hopefully no overtime there

[Clyde Frazier]

Calling all people actually following draft stuff already...

Any wings (preferably plus defenders) in 30-45 range worth taking a flyer on?