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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack 

Post#121 » by BBALLER4FR » Fri Mar 9, 2018 4:23 am




I hate when he communicates almost as much as I hate his coaching style. Cut his safety blanket (Jarrett Jack) then cut his vocal chords.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack 

Post#122 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Mar 9, 2018 3:11 pm

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Jeff Hornacek wrote:The Knicks are rolling with their 25-and-under point guards — rookie Frank Ntilikina, 19, Emmanuel Mudiay, 22, and Trey Burke, 25 — for better or worse.

“There’s a difference between tanking and trying to look at the future,’’ Hornacek said after practice Thursday at Marquette’s facility. “And we made trades to bring these guys in. We brought Trey in from the G-League and Emmanuel from another team. That’s a totally separate thought process. We’re seeing if they can play for us.’’


No change is in store Friday against the Bucks when this 0-3 trip concludes.

Hornacek said Jack could help stabilize the offense, but if that’s the best chance to steal a win in Milwaukee, it isn’t happening, while Lee will miss a second straight game because of a family-related death.


“It’s the same,’’ Hornacek said of the lineup. “We’re trying to evaluate our three young point guards. Moving forward, we got to make decisions on those guys. We have to play them as many minutes as possible. Jarrett has done a great job for us this year. But we’re at the point of the season we need to take a look at those guys and give them bigger minutes. It’s hard to judge them on five minutes here and there.”


Silver opened a can of worms when he ordered the Bulls to play Lopez and Holiday, both ex-Knicks and far from stars. The Bulls will comply rather than look at their young players.

“We still want to try to win games,’’ Hornacek said. “We want to see if our young guys can help us win games. It’s part of the evaluation process. It’s not like, ‘Oh heck, if we put them out there we’re going to lose games.’  We still want to try to win and see if these guys can step up and help us win.

“I’m not sure Adam told them what lineup to play. He probably is telling them they got to play. You can put them out there for 10 minutes. It’s meaningless for us. Because that’s not what we’re doing.”

In a recent memo warning teams about tanking, Silver attempted to recognize rebuilding efforts. It is a fine line.

“If we ever received evidence that players or coaches were attempting to lose or otherwise taking steps to cause any game to result otherwise than on its competitive merits, that conduct would be met with the swiftest and harshest response possible from the league office,” Silver wrote.

Hornacek said Mills never discussed the memo with him. Silver felt the Bulls crossed the line, which is debatable. Bulls general manager Jim Paxson stated they’d sit Lopez, Holiday and Jerian Grant, largely journeymen, to look at younger players David Nwaba, Cameron Payne and Cristiano Felicio.


Also debatable to Hornacek is why Silver needed to wait to change the lottery. In 2019, the worst-five teams will have the same odds of landing the No. 1 pick.

“It’s gotten worse the last four, five, six, seven years,’’ Hornacek said of teams content to lose for the chance at a better lottery seed. “Maybe that’s why they made adjustments. I don’t know why they didn’t make adjustments to it and implement it this year. I don’t know why they waited a year. They have what they’re going to do. Just put it in now. Maybe teams are trying to get one last crack at it. Teams realize difference-makers in this league come from the top five picks.’’

The 76ers forced Silver to act — perhaps not wanting other franchises to adapt former Philadelphia general manager Sam Hinkie’s tactics. The Sixers became an NBA embarrassment for several years to build through high lottery picks. After records of 19-63, 18-64, 10-72 and 28-54, the Sixers have arrived this season — or at least are seven games over .500.

“Players, coaches, it’s tough to go through that,’’ Hornacek said. “It takes a while. You’re not going to always hit that draft pick. This year, you get Donovan Mitchell at 13. You can find players like that but [GMs] play the percentages.’’


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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#123 » by BKlutch » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:24 pm

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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#124 » by Nazrmohamed » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:32 pm

On one hand I hate it.

Actually there is only one hand. I hate it. But with that said you can have all the youth in the world at some point that youth has to actually look good. I gotta just say it, our pgs all suck.

They all suck and while I would love to focus on a wing or stretch 4, I am now forced to consider either Young or Sexton if they were available to draft. And that just shows how much of a dumpster fire that position is for us. I should have that box checked off by now.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#125 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:53 pm

The Bulls was tanking. They flat out wasn't playing productive healthy players. Lopez and Holiday were inactive for like 5 games straight. The Knicks aren't doing that at all. Silver isn't gonna approach the Knicks and ask "why isn't Jarrett jack playing".
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#126 » by Are We Ther Yet » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:25 pm

Update...page 6. I read page 6. It sucked. What was the update? Worst birthday ever.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack 

Post#127 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:35 am

el13adnino wrote:Don’t matter, our tank is strong


Not strong enough to gain any ground.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#128 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:37 am

The reason why the Mudiay-Frank backcourt hasn't be good is bc of Mudiay. He makes everyone else on the court worse, not better. And it gets worse when Jeff has him in the game.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#129 » by BBALLER4FR » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:42 am

Thugger HBC wrote:The Bulls was tanking. They flat out wasn't playing productive healthy players. Lopez and Holiday were inactive for like 5 games straight. The Knicks aren't doing that at all. Silver isn't gonna approach the Knicks and ask "why isn't Jarrett jack playing".



No one should ever...Ever ask that question. Not seriously. Not for fun.


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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#130 » by JSmoraga » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:25 am

It is quite telling that our tanking team and our win-now team only have a Jarret Jack for a difference.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#131 » by GONYK » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:55 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:The reason why the Mudiay-Frank backcourt hasn't be good is bc of Mudiay. He makes everyone else on the court worse, not better. And it gets worse when Jeff has him in the game.


Depends on your definition of "worse".

I think Manny is out there doing the Lord's work.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#132 » by Capn'O » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:The Bulls was tanking. They flat out wasn't playing productive healthy players. Lopez and Holiday were inactive for like 5 games straight. The Knicks aren't doing that at all. Silver isn't gonna approach the Knicks and ask "why isn't Jarrett jack playing".


Courtney Lee is a similar level to Rolo IMO.

Edit: I guess they played him yesterday. Perhaps that was a "memo received" sort of thing.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#133 » by god shammgod » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:31 pm

adam silver is no dummy and he lives in ny. so he knows the knicks. he knows you can play whoever you want on this team and they're still losing. there is no winning lineup to put out there. so there aint nothing to warn us about.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#134 » by Capn'O » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:32 pm

god shammgod wrote:adam silver is no dummy and he lives in ny. so he knows the knicks. he knows you can play whoever you want on this team and they're still losing. there is no winning lineup to put out there. so there aint nothing to warn us about.


It would be awesome to hear the line "the Knicks ain't ****" come out of Silver's mouth.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#135 » by GONYK » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:28 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:The Bulls was tanking. They flat out wasn't playing productive healthy players. Lopez and Holiday were inactive for like 5 games straight. The Knicks aren't doing that at all. Silver isn't gonna approach the Knicks and ask "why isn't Jarrett jack playing".


Courtney Lee is a similar level to Rolo IMO.

Edit: I guess they played him yesterday. Perhaps that was a "memo received" sort of thing.


Lee returned after missing a few games due to his father having a major health scare, I think. Not a tank move.
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Re: Jeff Hornacek considering turning the PG position back over to Jarrett Jack [UPDATE P. 6] 

Post#136 » by Capn'O » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:35 pm

GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:The Bulls was tanking. They flat out wasn't playing productive healthy players. Lopez and Holiday were inactive for like 5 games straight. The Knicks aren't doing that at all. Silver isn't gonna approach the Knicks and ask "why isn't Jarrett jack playing".


Courtney Lee is a similar level to Rolo IMO.

Edit: I guess they played him yesterday. Perhaps that was a "memo received" sort of thing.


Lee returned after missing a few games due to his father having a major health scare, I think. Not a tank move.


Didn't realize. Shows how tuned in I am lately.
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Post#137 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Courtney Lee is a similar level to Rolo IMO.

Edit: I guess they played him yesterday. Perhaps that was a "memo received" sort of thing.


Lee returned after missing a few games due to his father having a major health scare, I think. Not a tank move.


Didn't realize. Shows how tuned in I am lately.
Yeah, Lee is playing, less and not starting, but playing.
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Post#138 » by GONYK » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Lee returned after missing a few games due to his father having a major health scare, I think. Not a tank move.


Didn't realize. Shows how tuned in I am lately.
Yeah, Lee is playing, less and not starting, but playing.


He'll be back in the SL, according to Jeff.
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Post#139 » by mpharris36 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:50 pm

GONYK wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Didn't realize. Shows how tuned in I am lately.
Yeah, Lee is playing, less and not starting, but playing.


He'll be back in the SL, according to Jeff.


yeah that was probably just a 1 game off the bench thing because he missed a few games. No doubt frank goes back to the bench. It's such a jeff thing to do.
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Post#140 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:52 pm

GONYK wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Didn't realize. Shows how tuned in I am lately.
Yeah, Lee is playing, less and not starting, but playing.


He'll be back in the SL, according to Jeff.
That sucks.
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