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shtolky wrote:

2010 wrote:

El Poochio wrote:KNICKS WILL TRADE NTILIKINA AND THEIR DRAFT PICK FOR KAWHI LEONARD

KNICKS BRASS LOOK FOR ANOTHER STAR PLAYER NEXT YEAR TO SELL SEASON TICKETS WHEN KP IS OUT

THEY SEE KAWHI AS THE PERFECT WELCOME GIFT FOR DAVID BLATT WHO IS SET TO TAKE OVER

DAVID BLATT WILL BRING BRAD WANAMAKER AND WILL CLYBURN WITH HIM TO NEW YORK

THEY TARGET KEMBA WALKER AND THINK KEMBA KAWHI WILL CONVINCE KP TO STAY

Kawhi recently announced he is coming back this season and he wants to spend his entire career with San Antonio.

Kawhi saying that doesn't really mean much. Durant said the same thing about OKC in 2015 and look what happened. I mean I doubt he leaves, but it's not far fetched given how things are suddenly going in SA.

malik959 wrote:

Fat Kat wrote:

spree8 wrote:

Steph Curry is a score 1st pg and isn’t a good defender, but had Draymond and Klay (two great defenders) and their team defense was fine.

Steph, Kyrie, and TParker are some score first/no defense playing pg’s who’ve won titles the last 4 years. Jus sayin.

Steph is a good defender.

Both Kyrie and Steph pick up their defense when needed, but Green and Klay are not the only Allstar defenders on their team. They have four great defenders and one that can hold his own in the starting lineup (plus two off the bench.) We have two in the starting lineup, inwhich one we don't even know if he'll be as solid as before the injury. We're hurting on defense more than offense, with a healthy KP our offense is not bad, add Mikal and it will be better, but our defense would be top.

NoLayupRule wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

NoLayupRule wrote:ill be deeply disappointed if we draft a 1 way player at the point

I think pidgeonholeing yourself into only drafting certain types of players is a dangerous game to play. Most of these guys are going to come into the league as bad defenders anyway

i think drafting a bad defender and hoping he turns into a real defender is also a dangerous game

is Trae significantly different from Jimmer coming into the league? Better passer, sure.

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

NoLayupRule wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
I think pidgeonholeing yourself into only drafting certain types of players is a dangerous game to play. Most of these guys are going to come into the league as bad defenders anyway

i think drafting a bad defender and hoping he turns into a real defender is also a dangerous game

is Trae significantly different from Jimmer coming into the league? Better passer, sure.

I'm on your side with Trae. Let me just clarify that first.... I just think not drafting a guy because his main weakness is defense when that can be covered up especially on the perimeter is a flawed way to view prospect IMO. Defense in the nba is scheme based mostly especially with the new rules pretty much limiting as much contact as possible on the perimeter. It's how Thibs got away with having an elite defense with Rose at pg (yuck)

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

El Poochio wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
The issue for Trae is based on what he's done, how he's played so far in his life, and some personality reports in the recruiting process....you need to hand the keys to your offense over to him and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective/to be happy. Is he good enough to warrant that at the NBA level? The odds are stacked against him, physically, and it's a bad sign he's showing signs of wearing down and struggling at the NCAA level. I do think the comparisons to Steph are unfair because Steph's growth in the NBA was insane, but Steph never struggled like Trae did in college and was more than willing to be a teammate and allow his teammates to do their thing. I don't see Trae in the same light. People say Oklahoma's supporting cast is trash, but is that entirely their fault or is it more a case of Trae doing too much and not allowing his guys the opportunity to succeed because he needs to get his?

Anyway I think Trae would be a good pick at like 10 or below. Anything above that and it just feels like you're scratching a lottery ticket hoping for the big pay day (steph, lillard etc.) but in reality your probably just going to get a 20 dollar pay out (Like a Trey Burke)

Comes down to how legit you think Træ's whole season was, numbers are incredible when you look at the season as an whole unless you see it as just some hot steak with couple of 40 point explosions inflating the numbers

I think the differential of his conference stats vs. his stats against all opponents is really damning for Trae. Once he faced better competition consistently he wore down and his numbers are ugly.... Bad sign there for a guy who is mainly getting drafted high because of his high production level IMO

GONYK wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:

NoLayupRule wrote:i think drafting a bad defender and hoping he turns into a real defender is also a dangerous game

is Trae significantly different from Jimmer coming into the league? Better passer, sure.

I'm on your side with Trae. Let me just clarify that first.... I just think not drafting a guy because his main weakness is defense when that can be covered up especially on the perimeter is a flawed way to view prospect IMO. Defense in the nba is scheme based mostly especially with the new rules pretty much limiting as much contact as possible on the perimeter. It's how Thibs got away with having an elite defense with Rose at pg (yuck)

I think that is only true up to a point though. If you're always one switch away from having your defense fall apart, that is a problem.

Rose, though a terrible defender, was at least strong enough to hold his own against either back court position.

spree8 wrote:

GONYK wrote:

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
I'm on your side with Trae. Let me just clarify that first.... I just think not drafting a guy because his main weakness is defense when that can be covered up especially on the perimeter is a flawed way to view prospect IMO. Defense in the nba is scheme based mostly especially with the new rules pretty much limiting as much contact as possible on the perimeter. It's how Thibs got away with having an elite defense with Rose at pg (yuck)

I think that is only true up to a point though. If you're always one switch away from having your defense fall apart, that is a problem.

Rose, though a terrible defender, was at least strong enough to hold his own against either back court position.

How can a terrible defender be strong enough to hold their own? Bit of an oxymoron no?

GONYK wrote:

spree8 wrote:

GONYK wrote:
I think that is only true up to a point though. If you're always one switch away from having your defense fall apart, that is a problem.

Rose, though a terrible defender, was at least strong enough to hold his own against either back court position.

How can a terrible defender be strong enough to hold their own? Bit of an oxymoron no?

No. I'm talking about physical strength. Rose was terrible because he was lazy and had absolutely no awareness, not because he was physically incapable.

dakomish23 wrote:Trae only shoots 36% from 3?

GONYK wrote:

spree8 wrote:

GONYK wrote:
I think that is only true up to a point though. If you're always one switch away from having your defense fall apart, that is a problem.

Rose, though a terrible defender, was at least strong enough to hold his own against either back court position.

How can a terrible defender be strong enough to hold their own? Bit of an oxymoron no?

No. I'm talking about physical strength. Rose was terrible because he was lazy and had absolutely no awareness, not because he was physically incapable.

spree8 wrote:For the record, I’m not arguing for Trae Young here... I jumped off that wagon a while back, but just sayin scoring pg’s who are weak defensively in general, aren’t as much a liability as some people are making it out to be.

spree8 wrote:For the record, I’m not arguing for Trae Young here... I jumped off that wagon a while back, but just sayin scoring pg’s who are weak defensively in general, aren’t as much a liability as some people are making it out to be.

Juco24 wrote:Question: can Timmy play sf consistently? If so, Sexton's a good pick. I prefer Mikal but Sexton's not a bad consolation prize if available and one has to available right?

NoLayupRule wrote:

spree8 wrote:For the record, I’m not arguing for Trae Young here... I jumped off that wagon a while back, but just sayin scoring pg’s who are weak defensively in general, aren’t as much a liability as some people are making it out to be.

i know you're not calling for him as our pick

but i have to disagree with your assertion

we sat though a decade of bad defensive guards. From people like Calderon and Rose most recently

over and over again we have been lit up by the position that most requires talent and which we've most been lacking

thats not to say you can't be an offensive player at the 1 and succeed

its just to say that being a two way player at the 1 is more important to wins vs loss than getting points there

Ill take a lesser two way guard over a more explosive scoring one way guard anyday