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Re: PG: Knicks vs Toronto- 3/11/18--TANK CONTINUES!!!! 

Post#221 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:11 pm

That draft really ain't the one. It was top heavy. I ain't crying over missing Malik Rose. This is a new low for the board.
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Post#222 » by dakomish23 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:45 pm

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Malik Rose was taken 44th. We had 18, 19, and 21. What are you trying to say? That draft was super top heavy along with Kobe and Nash. Unfortunately, we started picking at 18. Let's not act as if we passed on Kobe and Nash.


Where some one was picked does not mean we did not miss on the guy.

He was available when we picked.

We didn’t.

We swung 3x

We struck out.

Accept it. The Knicks failed. It’s a common occurrence.


it's a shame they didn't get anyone good in three tries. yes.

but the context of the 1996 draft is really misleading because they weren't in the running for any star players.

not exactly tripping that they missed on JYD and derek fisher. malik rose with the 21st pick. word. sure, buddy. that was a jewel for someone else to discover. getting cut from the hornets (same hornets who gave master p a look) and washing up in san antonio is what made him reach his potential as a serviceable reserve.

your incessant desire to point out the knicks' ineptitude has seen far better examples.


DFish and JYD were good role players on playoff teams. Z was a major miss. But hey, let’s focus on the one guy we can use to make the Knicks look better in this scenario even though that was a miss too.

Your compulsion to make excuses for past Knicks mistakes was predictable.

We swung 3x.

We struck out.
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Post#223 » by Red Vines » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:02 pm

We better be keeping Kanter out for the Dallas game, no reason to rush him back and every reason to keep him out. Really would inexcusable to start him when we just gained ground on Chicago.
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Post#224 » by Are We Ther Yet » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:31 pm

Red Vines wrote:We better be keeping Kanter out for the Dallas game, no reason to rush him back and every reason to keep him out. Really would inexcusable to start him when we just gained ground on Chicago.


I didn't see the game. Why was Kanter out?
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Post#225 » by GEOLINK » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:32 pm

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Red Vines wrote:We better be keeping Kanter out for the Dallas game, no reason to rush him back and every reason to keep him out. Really would inexcusable to start him when we just gained ground on Chicago.


I didn't see the game. Why was Kanter out?

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Post#226 » by Are We Ther Yet » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:33 pm

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Red Vines wrote:We better be keeping Kanter out for the Dallas game, no reason to rush him back and every reason to keep him out. Really would inexcusable to start him when we just gained ground on Chicago.


I didn't see the game. Why was Kanter out?

Back.


Sit him!
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Post#227 » by prophet_of_rage » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:49 pm

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Ehh to me he was never that good. Typical 90s Knick forward draftee. Knicks had a knack for picking guys that either were extremely unathletic and/or were very one dimensional. This dude even as a rookie had Charles Smith's knees lmao. Why we talking about him again?


We had 3 first rounders in that legendary 96 draft and we didn’t even find a rotation guy :noway: :nonono: :banghead:


That draft sort of sucked. Which is why it figures the Knicks had 3 first rounders. :D


Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.
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Post#228 » by Jeff Van Gully » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:51 pm

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Where some one was picked does not mean we did not miss on the guy.

He was available when we picked.

We didn’t.

We swung 3x

We struck out.

Accept it. The Knicks failed. It’s a common occurrence.


it's a shame they didn't get anyone good in three tries. yes.

but the context of the 1996 draft is really misleading because they weren't in the running for any star players.

not exactly tripping that they missed on JYD and derek fisher. malik rose with the 21st pick. word. sure, buddy. that was a jewel for someone else to discover. getting cut from the hornets (same hornets who gave master p a look) and washing up in san antonio is what made him reach his potential as a serviceable reserve.

your incessant desire to point out the knicks' ineptitude has seen far better examples.


DFish and JYD were good role players on playoff teams. Z was a major miss. But hey, let’s focus on the one guy we can use to make the Knicks look better in this scenario even though that was a miss too.

Your compulsion to make excuses for past Knicks mistakes was predictable.

We swung 3x.

We struck out.


making excuses and not tripping are two different things, mane. your mission is ham, bro.
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Post#229 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:53 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:
We had 3 first rounders in that legendary 96 draft and we didn’t even find a rotation guy :noway: :nonono: :banghead:


That draft sort of sucked. Which is why it figures the Knicks had 3 first rounders. :D


Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.


I meant depth wise. The draft went right off the cliff just when the Knicks drafted. :D

Minus big Z

Ok, there were rotation players, most of whom the Knicks wound up with - unfortunately - JYD, Shandon Anderson, Travis Knight, Othello Harrington, Moochie Norris.

It's like the Knicks went and collected all the bums they missed out on.
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Post#230 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:18 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
We had 3 first rounders in that legendary 96 draft and we didn’t even find a rotation guy :noway: :nonono: :banghead:


That draft sort of sucked. Which is why it figures the Knicks had 3 first rounders. :D


Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.

That draft was top heavy. Nearly all those accomplishments was primarily done with the lotto picks, picks we didnt have.

There isnt a single player drafted after we picked that I would seriously be upset about not picking.

The funny part about this discourse is only one player that was drafted after our picks in the 1st round even played more than 10 seasons, and that was Derek Fisher.
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Post#231 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:09 am

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That draft sort of sucked. Which is why it figures the Knicks had 3 first rounders. :D


Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.

That draft was top heavy. Nearly all those accomplishments was primarily done with the lotto picks, picks we didnt have.

There isnt a single player drafted after we picked that I would seriously be upset about not picking.

The funny part about this discourse is only one player that was drafted after our picks in the 1st round even played more than 10 seasons, and that was Derek Fisher.


It was possibly the greatest draft, based on how great the top 1/3 was and the number of players who stuck and stuck around for a while, but really, just as the Knicks were ready to pick, it was pretty trashy. They still could have gotten Z and a Barry though.

Knicks always Knicking.

Didn't Malik Rose play 10 years? Not sure. I don't really care either. :D
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Post#232 » by Fat Kat » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:14 am

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I didn't see the game. Why was Kanter out?

Back.


Sit him!


Folks are convinced he's terrible. He should help the tank.
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Post#233 » by Besart19 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:22 am

If not for Dolan (maybe with Phil's suggestion), we might be a playoff team with Lowry...

Chandler / Bargnani / Aldrich
Stoudemire / Martin / Tyler
Anthony / Hardaway / Clark
JR Smith / Udrih / Murry
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Post#234 » by Are We Ther Yet » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:54 am

Fat Kat wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:Back.


Sit him!


Folks are convinced he's terrible. He should help the tank.


He's not terrible at all IMO. He's just a weak/poor defender for the money for most people is what I see. Myself included.
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Post#235 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:04 am

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it's a shame they didn't get anyone good in three tries. yes.

but the context of the 1996 draft is really misleading because they weren't in the running for any star players.

not exactly tripping that they missed on JYD and derek fisher. malik rose with the 21st pick. word. sure, buddy. that was a jewel for someone else to discover. getting cut from the hornets (same hornets who gave master p a look) and washing up in san antonio is what made him reach his potential as a serviceable reserve.

your incessant desire to point out the knicks' ineptitude has seen far better examples.


DFish and JYD were good role players on playoff teams. Z was a major miss. But hey, let’s focus on the one guy we can use to make the Knicks look better in this scenario even though that was a miss too.

Your compulsion to make excuses for past Knicks mistakes was predictable.

We swung 3x.

We struck out.


making excuses and not tripping are two different things, mane. your mission is ham, bro.


JThey didn’t hit on 3 picks. Doesn’t mean I think the FO at that time was a failure overall. The summer with H20 Childs etc was great. In this scenario, it’s a shame they couldn’t have came away with someone.

I would hold any FO to that standard though. 3 1sts? You have to find at least a rotation guy.
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Post#236 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:07 am

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Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.

That draft was top heavy. Nearly all those accomplishments was primarily done with the lotto picks, picks we didnt have.

There isnt a single player drafted after we picked that I would seriously be upset about not picking.

The funny part about this discourse is only one player that was drafted after our picks in the 1st round even played more than 10 seasons, and that was Derek Fisher.


It was possibly the greatest draft, based on how great the top 1/3 was and the number of players who stuck and stuck around for a while, but really, just as the Knicks were ready to pick, it was pretty trashy. They still could have gotten Z and a Barry though.

Knicks always Knicking.

Didn't Malik Rose play 10 years? Not sure. I don't really care either. :D


Big Z technically was around for 13 seasons.
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Post#237 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:33 pm

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That draft sort of sucked. Which is why it figures the Knicks had 3 first rounders. :D


Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.


I meant depth wise. The draft went right off the cliff just when the Knicks drafted. :D

Minus big Z

Ok, there were rotation players, most of whom the Knicks wound up with - unfortunately - JYD, Shandon Anderson, Travis Knight, Othello Harrington, Moochie Norris.

It's like the Knicks went and collected all the bums they missed out on.


No it didn't. John Wallace could have been good in a system that valued him. Ilgauskas was very good for a long time and would have made as sensible a backup as Wallace did to the front line. Williams would fit with what the Knicks were doing. Derek Fisher was in the old Derek Harper mould and would have fit, too.

The Knicks just had a drafting philosophy of they didn't a schitt about rookies and took whoever was a name from the tournament. They didn't care so they took Wallace (everybody celebrated), McCarty because Kentucky finished high and Dantae because he would get the headline Dantae's Inferno.
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Post#238 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:13 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
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Sorta sucked? That draft was the greatest of all-time. What are you talking about? The thirteenth pick just retired with five championships, it produced multiple MVPs, a DPOY, at one time the leading 3 point shooter of all time, a 2x MVP, a multiple scoring champ and the best sub 6 foot player ever.


I meant depth wise. The draft went right off the cliff just when the Knicks drafted. :D

Minus big Z

Ok, there were rotation players, most of whom the Knicks wound up with - unfortunately - JYD, Shandon Anderson, Travis Knight, Othello Harrington, Moochie Norris.

It's like the Knicks went and collected all the bums they missed out on.


No it didn't. John Wallace could have been good in a system that valued him. Ilgauskas was very good for a long time and would have made as sensible a backup as Wallace did to the front line. Williams would fit with what the Knicks were doing. Derek Fisher was in the old Derek Harper mould and would have fit, too.

The Knicks just had a drafting philosophy of they didn't a schitt about rookies and took whoever was a name from the tournament. They didn't care so they took Wallace (everybody celebrated), McCarty because Kentucky finished high and Dantae because he would get the headline Dantae's Inferno.


I sort of said it didn't in another post before this, which surely you would have read

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